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    Default Depictions of the ships behind the SoG-miniatures

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    This Thread is a collection of links to pictures of paintings, drawings or models of the historical ships behind our SoG-miniatures.
    All current ships are listed below, sorted by nation and type of ship.
    Everyone is invited contribute and post links to new pictures (there is no restriction; a single ship can get as many pictures as you can find!) and they will be added to the list frequently.
    The collection is supposed to be a source of inspiration for those of us who want to give some of our miniatures a more individual touch or distinguish more between the two roles that can be portrayed by one single miniature.
    You are all invited to take part in this project, I hope you'll have fun!



    British


    14-guns Sloops:

    HMS Fairy 1778:
    History
    http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/a...pseqmfvcvl.jpg (center left)
    http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/a...psdpi0rt9f.jpg (left)

    HMS Swan 1767:
    -


    32-guns Frigates:

    HMS Amphion 1780:
    History

    HMS Castor 1785:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...the_Castor.jpg (left; retaken shortly after being captured by the French)

    HMS Cleopatra 1779:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...%281779%29.jpg
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...%A9_PU5687.jpg (right)

    HMS Concorde 1783:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Engageante.jpg (centre)

    HMS Iphigenia 1779:
    -

    HMS Juno 1780:
    -

    HMS Meleager 1785:
    http://www.military-art.com/mall/images/li0017.jpg (second ship in line)

    HMS Orpheus 1780:
    -

    HMS Terpsichore 1785:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...e_Mahonesa.jpg (left)

    HMS Unite 1796:
    -


    40-guns Frigates:

    HMS Amelia 1796:
    History
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...%281852%29.jpg

    HMS Sybille:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ne-cropped.jpg (left)
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...e_vs_Forte.jpg (left)


    50-guns Ships:

    HMS Adamant 1780:
    -

    HMS Isis 1774:
    -

    HMS Leander 1780:
    -

    HMS Leopard 1790:
    http://sailsofglory.org/attachment.p...8&d=1464683729


    64-guns Ships-of-the-Line:

    HMS Argonaut 1782:
    -

    HMS Protee 1780:
    -


    74-guns Ships-of-the-Line:

    HMS Bahama 1805:
    http://www.todoababor.es/listado/img/bahama_max.jpg

    HMS Bellerophon 1786:
    History
    http://www.larsonweb.com/Transfer/Mi...ail/74Guns.JPG
    http://www.christies.com/lotfinderim.../d4979850x.jpg
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...on-cropped.jpg

    HMS Bellona 1760:
    History
    http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/a...naoffbrest.jpg
    http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/a...eoffhunt11.jpg (left)
    http://www.shipmodel.com/models/bellona-hms-full-hull

    HMS Defence 1763:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ne%2C_1794.jpg (center, dismasted)
    http://www.military-art.com/mall/images/dg191.jpg

    HMS Defiance 1783:
    -

    HMS Goliath 1781:
    -

    HMS Impétueux 1796 (former French ship America 1788):
    -

    HMS San Juan 1805:
    -

    HMS Spartiate 1798:
    -

    HMS Superb 1760:
    History
    http://sailsofglory.org/attachment.p...8&d=1451380103

    HMS Vanguard 1787:
    History
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLi...5316/large.jpg 2nd from left
    http://www.modelships.de/Vanguard/Bi...S-Vanguard.htm
    http://www.mytongallery.co.uk/david%...dcb143-800.jpg[/INDENT]http://www.military-art.com/mall/images/dhm2702.jpg[/INDENT]

    HMS Zealous 1785:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Nile_1798.jpg (centre)


    100-guns Ships-of-the-Line:

    HMS Britannia 1762:
    http://imageweb-cdn.magnoliasoft.net...ze/bhc3744.jpg
    www.military-art.com/mall/images/gisd5665.jpg

    HMS Hibernia 1804:
    painting: http://www.ozanne.co.uk/sites/defaul...rnia_001_0.jpg
    model: http://www.shipmodel.com/models/hibe...ybernia-boxwoo

    HMS Queen Charlotte 1790:
    http://www.artnet.com/WebServices/im...-cadiz-bay.jpg
    http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps5d1d5ecd.jpg
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Lord_Howe.jpg
    http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/a...psd5645f72.jpg

    HMS Royal George 1788:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...%281757%29.jpg (right)

    HMS Royal Sovereign 1786:
    History
    http://sailsofglory.org/attachment.p...9&d=1466018854
    http://sailsofglory.org/attachment.p...2&d=1466018265
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ellasarius.jpg
    http://www.oliversart.co.uk/acatalog..._Sovereign.jpg
    http://www.royalsovereign-eastbourne...reign_boat.jpg

    HMS Victory:
    1765:
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLi...4826/large.jpg
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collect...cts/66475.html
    1791:
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLi...7450/large.jpg
    1805:
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLi...5316/large.jpg
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Stanfield.jpg (centre)
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...%281822%29.jpg
    comparison in paint scheme:
    http://www.shipsofscale.com/phpBB3/d...ec9f67a9003cd8
    http://www.shipsofscale.com/phpBB3/d...ec9f67a9003cd8

    HMS Ville de Paris 1795:
    http://sailsofglory.org/attachment.p...1&d=1451271427
    http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps753641bf.jpg




    French


    14-guns Sloops:

    Alligator 1782:
    -

    Le Fortune 1780:
    http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLi...1314/large.jpg


    32-guns Frigates:

    Courageuse 1778 (1794):
    History
    http://www.jackfineart.com/Derek-Gar...and-Pallas.jpg (left; after being captured by the British and renamed HMS Courageuse)

    Embuscade 1798:
    http://mnm.webmuseo.com/ws/musee-nat...on/record/9976 (right; being captured by the French in 1798)
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...nnaise-Hue.png (left; being captured by the French in 1798)

    Hermione 1779:
    http://www.hermione.com/media/combat...4_14072007.jpg
    http://www.sunnyskyz.com/uploads/201...01-uVUro88.jpg
    http://a405.idata.over-blog.com/0/60...--Hermione.jpg
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...27Hermione.JPG

    Junon 1778:
    http://mnm.webmuseo.com/ws/musee-nat...on/record/9739 (right)

    La Concorde 1777:
    http://www.cargo-star.fr/nos-produit...s/la-concorde/

    Le Succes 1801:
    -

    L'Inconstante 1786:
    -

    Unité 1787 (1793):
    http://www.thedearsurprise.com/wp-co...surprise07.jpg
    http://www.jrusselljinishiangallery....e-surprise.jpg


    40-guns Frigates:

    Carmagnole 1793:
    -

    Dryade 1783:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...i_%2840%29.JPG
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...i_%2841%29.JPG

    Proserpine 1785:
    History
    http://www.gac.culture.gov.uk/images...er%5C15449.jpg (left)
    http://www.gac.culture.gov.uk/images...er%5C15448.jpg (right)
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Proserpine.jpg (right)

    Sybille 1791:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._vs_Romney.jpg ()


    50-guns Ships:

    Leander 1798:
    -

    Petit Annibal 1782:
    -


    64-guns Ships-of-the-Line:

    Artesien 1765:
    -

    Eveillè 1772:
    -

    Protée 1772:
    -

    Roland 1771:
    -


    74-guns Ships-of-the-Line:

    Aquilon 1789:
    -

    Commerce de Bordeaux 1784:
    -

    Duguay-Trouin 1788:
    History
    History as HMS Implacable, after being captured

    Fougueux 1785:
    -

    Généreux 1785:
    http://imageweb-cdn.magnoliasoft.net...ize/pw4705.jpg

    Le Berwick 1795 (former British ship HMS Berwick 1775):
    History
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...mant_Mayer.jpg

    Le Swiftsure 1801:
    -

    Redoutable 1791:
    History
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...in_mg_0578.jpg
    http://www.modelshipmaster.com/produ...REDOUTABLE.htm


    118-guns Ships-of-the-Line:

    Austerlitz 1808:
    -

    Commerce de Marseille 1788:
    http://a141.idata.over-blog.com/2/00...k2-copie-1.jpg
    http://sailsofglory.org/attachment.p...1&d=1455580376
    model:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...e-IMG_5773.jpg
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...le_mg_6174.jpg
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...le_mg_6172.jpg
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...le_mg_6178.jpg
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...le_mg_6181.jpg
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...le_mg_6168.jpg


    Impérial 1805:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...las_Pocock.jpg

    Montagne 1790 (1793) (former Océan):
    History
    http://sailsofglory.org/attachment.p...2&d=1466710677
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...a_Montagne.jpg
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Lord_Howe.jpg (right)
    http://sailsofglory.org/attachment.p...5&d=1397630387

    Orient 1791:
    History
    http://sailsofglory.org/attachment.p...9&d=1465982812
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...98_At_10pm.jpg (centre; aflame)
    http://sailsofglory.org/attachment.p...0&d=1397630428 (aflame)

    République Française 1802:
    -




    Spanish


    32-guns Frigates:

    Ifigenia 1795:
    -

    Sirena 1793:
    -


    74-guns Ships-of-the-Line:

    Argonauta 1806:
    https://vadebarcos.files.wordpress.c.../argonauta.jpg
    http://carlosparrillapenagos.es/s/cc...g?t=1316081840
    http://carlosparrillapenagos.es/s/cc...g?t=1351095070

    Bahama 1783:
    -

    Heroe 1808:
    -

    San Agustin 1768:
    -

    San Francisco de Asis 1767:
    -

    San Juan Nepomuceno 1766:
    http://sailsofglory.org/attachment.p...6&d=1464783781
    http://www.todoababor.es/listado/img...ceno-1-max.jpg
    http://www.todoababor.es/listado/img...ceno-2-max.jpg
    http://www.todoababor.es/listado/img...ceno-3-max.jpg
    http://www.todoababor.es/listado/img...ceno-4-max.jpg


    112-guns Ships-of-the-Line:

    Conde de Regla 1786:
    -

    Mejicano 1786:
    -

    Principe de Asturias 1794:
    -

    Real Carlos 1787:
    http://www.todoababor.es/pinturas/ca...carlos_max.jpg

    San Hermenegildo 1789:
    http://www.todoababor.es/pinturas/im...hermen_max.jpg
    http://www.todoababor.es/pinturas/ca...liados-max.jpg

    Santa Ana 1784:
    http://sailsofglory.org/attachment.p...6&d=1464609892
    http://www.todoababor.es/pinturas/ca...ta_ana_max.jpg
    http://www.todoababor.es/listado/per...ta-ana-max.jpg
    http://www.todoababor.es/listado/img/santana_max.jpg




    American


    14-guns Sloops:

    Thorn 1779:
    -

    USS Atalanta 1781:
    -


    44-guns Heavy Frigates:

    USS Constitution:
    http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/46/0946021104.jpg
    http://www.vallejogallery.com/object...n%20framed.jpg
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--rXdpld5GX..._Guerriere.jpg
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wCjoABkkkV...stitution5.JPG
    http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/46/0946021188.jpg
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    Vanguard
    74-gun 3rd rate ship of the line
    • Launched in March 1787.
    • Broken up in September 1821.
    • Nelson served in her as a Rear-Admiral from March 1798 - June 1799. His Captains were Edward Berry, from December 1797 - August 1798; and Thomas Hardy, from August 1798 - June 1799.
    Presence at Nelson's battles:
    • Nile: Present, Nelson's flagship, Capt. Edward Berry.
    Career:
    • 1793: In the Channel Fleet.
    • 1794: Went to the West Indies.
    • March 1798: Nelson hoisted his flag aboard her in England. Having recovered from the loss of his arm, he had been promised the Foudroyant, but she was not ready when he was, so he took the Vanguard instead, with his friend Captain Edward Berry.
    • 7th June 1798: Nelson began his chase of the French fleet through the Mediterranean. During a heavy storm off Sardinia, the Vanguard was badly damaged and dismasted, and would have been wrecked. Captain Alexander Ball in the Alexander took a big risk in towing her to safety, against Nelson's orders to abandon the attempt and not risk his own ship, but in doing so he likely saved Nelson's life as well as that of the Vanguard's entire crew. (Capt. Edward Berry)
    • 1st August 1798: Fought at the Battle of the Nile as Nelson's flagship, Captain Edward Berry. She captured the French Spartiate, but was very badly damaged and Nelson received a terrible head injury that troubled him for months.
    • 19th August 1798: Nelson left Aboukir Bay for Naples.
    • October 1798: Joined the blockade of Malta. (Capt. Thomas Hardy)
    • December 1798: Evacuated the royal family of Naples to Palermo to escape the French invasion. (Capt. Thomas Hardy)
    • 1803: Off San Domingo, in a squadron which took the French frigate La Creole and the 74-gun Le Duquesne, as well as 3 privateers. (Capt. James Walker)
    • 1807: Fought at the 2nd Battle of Copenhagen and capture of the Danish fleet. (Capt. Alexander Fraser)
    • 1812: Became a prison ship.
    • 1814: Became a powder hulk.

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    I could not find a picture of this ship.
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    Amphion

    32-gun 5th rate frigate
    • Launched in March 1798.
    • Broken up in 1823.
    • Conveyed Vice-Admiral Nelson as Commander-in-Chief to the Mediterranean from May - July 1803, with Captain Thomas Hardy.
    Presence at Nelson's battles:
    • None
    On 18th June, whilst on board the Amphion, Nelson wrote to Captain Samuel Sutton who at that time was aboard the Victory, but would be transferring to Amphion when he reached the rendez-vous:"The Amphion is one of the nicest Frigates I have seen - not so large as Amazon, but has every good quality.
    Nicolas, vol. V
    Career:
    • 1799: At Jamaica. On the 25th November, captured a Spanish privateer, Asturiana.
    • Oct 1802: Took Lord Fitzgerald as ambassador to Portugal.
    • May 1803: Took Nelson from England to the Mediterranean fleet. Captain Thomas Hardy transferred to the Victory with Nelson once there, and Captain Samuel Sutton switched from the Victory to the Amphion.
    • 5th Oct 1804: Fought at the Battle of Cape St. Maria (see the Medusa for details). (Capt. Sutton)
    • Oct 1805: Went to Lisbon so Captain Sutton could be replaced with Captain William Hoste due to ill health; then went with Hoste to Algiers to deliver Nelson's letters to the Dey.
    • May 1806: Joined Sir Sidney Smith's squadron guarding Sicily.
    • June 1806: Amphion's boats attacked a castle at Cirello in Calabria (southern Italy).
    • July 1806: Assisted with the British troops landing at Calabria, which led to the Battle of Maida. Then assisted with the landing of troops to attack French bases at Cantazaro and Crotone, and fired on French reinforcements. Returned to Palermo in August.
    • May 1808: With Admiral Collingwood's fleet in the Mediterranean. Captured a French frigate, the Baleine, which was deliberately run aground at the Bay of Roses. (Capt. William Hoste)
    • Nov 1808: Joined the blockade of Trieste (north-east Italy). Rescued two British officers who had escaped after being taken prisoner by the French.
    • Feb 1809: Boats from the Amphion and Redwing landed on the island of Meleda in the Adriatic (now the Croatian Mljet), destroyed stores and captured a brig and storeship. (Capt. Hoste)
    • April 1809: Boats from the Amphion, Spartan and Mercury attacked the port of Pesaro (north-east Italy), destroyed a fort and captured 13 merchant ships. (Capt. Hoste)
    • Aug 1809: Amphion's crew took the fort at the port of Cortelazzo (at the mouth of the Piave river, north Italy, between Venice and Trieste); they then turned the fort's guns on six gunboats, which surrendered, and the fort was destroyed. Two storeships were captured, four were burnt. (Capt. Hoste)
    • June 1810: With the Cerberus and Active, stormed two forts at Grado (between Venice and Trieste) after chasing a convoy into the harbour; then took five merchant ships and burnt eleven. (Capt. Hoste)
    • Oct 1810: The Amphion and Active were chased by a French squadron from Ancona. They were later reinforced by the Cerberus and Acorn from Lissa (a British base, now the Croatian island of Vis in the Adriatic) but by that time the French ships were back in Ancona. Later, the Amphion collided with the Volage and had to be repaired.
    • 13th March 1811: Was the flagship, under Captain Hoste, for the Battle of Lissa. Four British frigates fought against a squadron of seven French and Venetian. The French Commodore's flagship, Favorite, was run aground, and the Commodore - as well as almost all the officers on his ship - was killed. Two French frigates, the Corona and Bellona, were captured, and renamed Daedalus and Dover respectively. Prior to the battle, William Hoste, one of Nelson's protégés, emulated his hero by raising the inspirational signal "Remember Nelson" before the battle, which was greeted by cheers from the whole squadron.
    • 1813: Recommissioned for the North Sea fleet. Her crew occupied the island of Schowen (belonging to the Netherlands) and captured a French battery at Tholen.
    • 1814: Unsuccessfully attacked French ships in the West Scheldt (a river in the Netherlands). (Capt. James Pattison Stewart)
    • Oct 1815: Escorted a convoy to Bermuda.
    • 1820: Sunk as a breakwater in Woolwich.
    • 1823: Wreck sold to be broken up.

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    HMS Bellerop
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    74-gun third-rateship of the line

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    Launched in 1786, she served during the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars, mostly on blockades or convoy escort duties. Known to sailors as the "Billy Ruffian", she fought in three fleet actions, the Glorious First of June, the Battle of the Nile and the Battle of Trafalgar, and was the ship aboard which Napoleon finally surrendered, ending 22 years of nearly continuous war with France.




    Built at Frindsbury, Bellerophon was initially laid up in ordinary, briefly being commissioned during the Spanish and Russian Armaments. She entered service with the Channel Fleet on the outbreak of the French Revolutionary Wars, and took part in the Glorious First of June in 1794, the first of several fleet actions of the wars. Bellerophon narrowly escaped being captured by the French in 1795, when her squadron was nearly overrun by a powerful French fleet, but the bold actions of the squadron's commander, Vice-Admiral Sir William Cornwallis, caused the French to retreat. She played a minor role in efforts to intercept a French invasion force bound for Ireland in 1797, and then joined the Mediterranean Fleet under Sir John Jervis. Detached to reinforce Rear-Admiral Sir Horatio Nelson's fleet in 1798, she took part in the decisive defeat of a French fleet at the Battle of the Nile. She then returned to England and went out to the West Indies, where she spent the Peace of Amiens on cruises and convoy escort duty between the Caribbean and North America.




    Bellerophon returned to European waters with the resumption of the wars with France, joining a fleet under Vice-Admiral Cuthbert Collingwood blockading Cadiz. The reinforced fleet, by then commanded by Horatio Nelson, engaged the combined Franco-Spanish fleet when it emerged from port. At the Battle of Trafalgar on 21 October Bellerophon fought a bitter engagement against Spanish and French ships, sustaining heavy casualties including the death of her captain, John Cooke. After repairs Bellerophon was employed blockading the enemy fleets in the Channel and the North Sea. She plied the waters of the Baltic Sea in 1809, making attacks on Russian shipping, and by 1810 was off the French coast again, blockading their ports. She went out to North America as a convoy escort between 1813 and 1814, and in 1815 was assigned to blockade the French Atlantic port of Rochefort. In July 1815, defeated at Waterloo and finding escape to America barred by the blockading Bellerophon, Napoleon came aboard "the ship that had dogged his steps for twenty years" (according to maritime historian David Cordingly) to finally surrender to the British. It was Bellerophon '​s last seagoing service. She was paid off and converted to a prison ship in 1815, and was renamed Captivity in 1824 to free the name for another ship. Moved to Plymouth in 1826, she continued in service until 1834, when the last convicts left. The Admiralty ordered her to be sold in 1836, and she was broken up.


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    Thank you for the pictures and the articles, I added them to the list!
    And thank you for the Reputation!
    Could someone shed light on the two states of the USS Constitution and what were the optical differences? It was not too difficult to find the information for HMS Victory but iI'm really not a Constitution expert...

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    Argonauta
    https://vadebarcos.files.wordpress.c.../argonauta.jpg
    http://carlosparrillapenagos.es/s/cc...g?t=1316081840
    http://carlosparrillapenagos.es/s/cc...g?t=1351095070

    Seems the blue paint on the SOG mini Argonauta is depicted for another vessel. The Glorioso http://carlosparrillapenagos.es/s/cc...g?t=1443947419 from this great page on the Spanish Navy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torrence View Post
    Thank you for the pictures and the articles, I added them to the list!
    And thank you for the Reputation!
    Could someone shed light on the two states of the USS Constitution and what were the optical differences? It was not too difficult to find the information for HMS Victory but iI'm really not a Constitution expert...
    I have not been able to find anything definitive on her other than the black with white strake pattern the US adopted. But I don't think that pattern as standard until well after she was built. I did find a model of her claiming to be the early version that shows more natural wood. But I suspect that may be the style for wooden ship modelers to let the wood show rather than the paintwork.

    So this could certainly be plausible but not sure of the references.
    Two different model versions.
    https://www.naintrading.com/data/shi...0_1024x881.jpg
    http://www.schiffsmodell-shop.de/ima...on_mw_-_09.jpg

    Just found this work of her that was painted in 1803. So she was black and white by then.
    http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/46/0946021104.jpg

    This was painted in 1965 but is supposed to be her in 1797
    http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/46/0946021188.jpg

    Edited to add some additional info.
    Found a source claiming the original Constitution was painted with a mix of yellow ochre and white for the stripes. So lighter than other yellow ochre ships. Found another model claiming to be the ship as launched.
    http://shipmodel.com/models/constitution-solid-hull
    The question often arises, *How was **Constitution** painted?* The
    answers seem to be varied and they seldom seem to match primary
    documentation. Here is what is known at this writing to me to be the
    best color information for *Constitution* for only some of her
    configurations and time periods:
    In her early years, *Constitution* was always tarred below the four gun
    strakes, probably until the 1906 overhaul. As-built in 1797 through
    1811, she had yellow ochre (50:50 with white lead -- still a
    brownish-yellow but not as dull) gun strakes, gun tompions, gallery
    trim, bowsprit, and lower masts as well as two pin stripes leading aft
    along the hull from the head rails. The stern had a lampblack ground
    with white lead, vermilion, medium-light blue, and light yellow ochre
    trim. The ship-s name is not on the stern in 1812 (see Captain Hull-s
    model of September 1812 at the Peabody Essex Museum in Salem,
    Massachusetts). The weather rails were lampblack for all periods. ONLY
    the four one-inch recessed gun strakes received the contrasting color --
    NEVER a broad band of color that I have ever been able to document. The
    gun strakes were white lead from 1811 through 1815 off and on with
    yellow ochre (to include a change in the color of the quarter gallery
    trim and, likely, the gun tompions) and were yellow ochre again from
    1815 until the 1817 overhaul when the US Navy was changing to uniform
    white lead gun strakes in almost all its ships, to include white lead
    inner bulwarks and waterways from about 1817 as well.
    http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php...-constitution/
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    Hi Rob, wasn't the Amphion is SoG the Amazon frigate that blew up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbs View Post
    Hi Rob, wasn't the Amphion is SoG the Amazon frigate that blew up?
    Can you give me more info on this epesode please Dobbs. I have the SoG one down as the 1798 one.
    Rob.

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    HMS SUPERB 1798.




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    The fourth ship to bear the name HMS Superb was a 74-gun third-rate launched on 17th March 1798 from Northfleet. In 1801 she captured the Nancy and the Audacieux (both with HMS Venerable and HMS Cambrian). In 1813 she captured the American schooner Young Holkar and brig the Starr as well as the schooner Viper and Magdalea.
    She was broken up in 1826.
    Superb is mostly associated with Captain Richard Goodwin Keats who commanded her from 1801 until 1806. He was promoted to Commodore in 1807.


    1781-1793: Lieutenant Richard John Strachan.
    1798-1798: Captain John Sutton.
    1801- 1806: Captain Richard Goodwin Keats.
    1806-1812: Vice-Admiral John Thomas Duckworth.
    1812-1814: Captain Charles Paget.
    1814- 1819: Captain Thomas Masterman Hardy




    Attachment 18002

    In July 1801 the Superb was stationed off Cadiz and took part in the second
    Battle of Algeciras Bay. During the French and Spanish retreat Admiral Sir James Saumarez hailed the Superb and ordered Keats to catch the allied fleet's rear and engage. The Superb was a relatively new ship and had not been long on blockade duty. As a consequence she was the fastest sailing ship-of-the-line in the fleet. As night fell on July 12th, Keats sailed the Superb alongside the 112-gun Real Carlos on her starboard side. Another Spanish ship, the 112-gun San Hermenegildo, was sailing abreast, on the port side, of the Real Carlos. Keats fired into the Real Carlos and some shot passed her and struck the San Hermenegildo.


    Attachment 18006



    The Real Carlos caught fire and Keats disengaged her to continue up the line. In the darkness the two Spanish ships confused one another for British ships and began a furious duel. With the Real Carlos aflame the captain of the Hermenegildo determined to take advantage and crossed the Real Carlos’ stern in order to deal a fatal broadside that would run the length of the ship through the unprotected stern. A sudden gust of wind brought the two ships together and entangled their rigging. The Hermenegildo also caught fire and the two enormous three-deck ships exploded. The Superb continued on relatively unscathed and engaged the French 74-gun
    St. Antoine under Commodore Julien le Roy. The St. Antoine struck after a brief exchange of broadsides.



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    She was the flagship of Admiral
    John Thomas Duckworth in the Battle of San Domingo fought on 6 February 1806 between squadrons of French and British ships of the line off the southern coast of the French-occupied Spanish colonial Captaincy General of Santo Domingo (San Domingo in contemporary British English) in the Caribbean Sea. The French squadron, under Vice-Admiral Corentin Urbain Leissègues in the 120-gun Impérial, had sailed from Brest in December 1805, one of two squadrons intending to raid British trade routes as part of the Atlantic campaign of 1806.


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    Separating from the squadron under Contre-Admiral
    Jean-Baptiste Willaumez in the mid-Atlantic, Leissègues sailed for the Caribbean. After winter storms near the Azores damaged and scattered his squadron, Leissègues regrouped and repaired his ships at the city of Santo Domingo, where a British squadron under Vice-Admiral Sir John Thomas Duckworth discovered them on 6 February 1806. Duckworth had abandoned his assigned station off Cadiz in pursuit of Willaumez during December and traveled so far across the Atlantic in pursuit that he was forced to resupply at St. Kitts in the Leeward Islands, where news had reached him of Leissègues' arrival.
    By the time French lookouts at Santo Domingo had spotted Duckworth approaching from the southeast, it was too late for Leissègues to escape. Sailing with the wind westwards along the coast, Leissègues formed a
    line of battle to meet the approaching British squadron, which had split into two divisions. Although his divisions separated during the approach, Duckworth's lead ships remained in a tight formation and successfully engaged the head of the French line, targeting the flagship Impérial.

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    Under pressure, the French squadron broke apart with the British isolating and capturing three ships before concentrating on the main combat around the French flagship. Severely damaged and surrounded, Leissègues drove Impérial ashore to avoid capture. The remaining French ship of the line,
    Diomède, followed him. Although most of the crew of these ships scrambled ashore, British boarding parties captured both vessels and set them on fire.


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    The only Fre
    nch ships to escape the battle were three smaller warships, which Duckworth's squadron had ignored; they eventually returned to France.
    Willaumez's squadron remained at large in the Atlantic until July 1806, when a hurricane scattered the vessels along the American Seaboard where British patrols were waiting to intercept them. Of the 11 ships that set out in December 1805, just four eventually returned to France. The crews of the British squadron were decorated for the
    ir success, with the exception of Duckworth, who shared in the general thanks but was otherwise unrewarded. By leaving his post off Cadiz he had provoked the anger of Vice-Admiral Lord Collingwood, commander in the Mediterranean; only his victory enabled Duckworth to escape a court martial.
    The battle of San Domingo was the last fleet engagement of the war between French and British capital ships in open water. The Royal Navy's dominance off every French port made the risks involved in putting to sea insurmountable. The only subsequent breakout attempt, by the Brest fleet in 1809, ended with the defeat of the French fleet close to its own anchorage at the
    Battle of the Basque Roads.



    Superb was re commissioned in December 1809 under the command of Captain Samuel Jackson. She went out to the Baltic as Keats' flagship, and was part of the squadron there under Admiral Sir James Saumarez. She returned to Portsmouth, and underwent repairs between September 1811 and November 1812, before commissioning in September 1812 under Captain
    Charles Paget.


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    Paget was appointed to command Superb as part of the Channel Fleet, and during a cruise in the
    Bay of Biscay he took several prizes.




    In 1814 she was employed on the coast of North America under the orders of Sir Alexander Cochrane and took part in an attack upon Wareham, Massachusetts during the War of 1812.


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    The Old Superb.

    The wind was rising Easterly, the mor
    ning sky was blue,
    The Straits before us opened wide and free.
    We looked towards the Admiral, where the high Peter flew,
    And all our hearts were dancing like the sea.
    The French have gone to Martinique with four and twenty sail;
    The Old Superb is old and foul and slow,
    But the French are gone to Martinique, and Nelson's on the trail,
    And where he goes, the Old Superb must go.

    So Westward Ho! for Trinidad and Eastward Ho! for Spain,
    And "Ship Ahoy !" a hundred times a day;
    Round the world if need be, and ro
    und the world again,
    With lame duck lagging all the way.

    The Old Superb was barnacled and green as grass below,
    Her sticks were only fit for stirring grog.
    The pride of all her Midshipmen was silent long ago,
    And long ago they ceased to heave the log.
    Four year out from home she was and ne'er a week in port,
    And nothing save the guns aboard; her bright;
    But Captain Keats, he knew the game, and swo
    re to share the sport,
    For he never came in too late to fight. S

    So Westward Ho! for Trinidad and Eastward Ho! for Spain,
    And "Ship Ahoy !" a hundred times a day;
    Round the world if need be, and round the world again,
    With lame duck lagging all the way.


    "Now up, my lads" the Captain cried, "For sure the case was hard -
    If longest out, were first to fall behind.
    Aloft, aloft, with studding sails and lash them to the yard,
    For night and day the Trades are driving blind".

    So all day long and all day long, behind the Fleet we crept,
    And how we fretted, none but Nelson guessed;
    But every night the Old Superb she sailed when others slept,
    Till we ran the French to earth with all the rest.

    So Westward Ho! for Trinidad and Eastward Ho! for Spain,
    And "Ship Ahoy !" a hundred times a day;
    Round the world if need be, and round the world again,
    With lame duck lagging all the way.

    Sir Henry Newbolt 1862 - 1938
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Can you give me more info on this epesode please Dobbs. I have the SoG one down as the 1798 one.
    Rob.
    Commissioned 1780, Amphion took part in the destruction of New London, Connecticut in 1781.

    Exploded in port in1796. Captain Isaac Pellew, brother of Edward, was one of the few survivors. He went on to command Conqueror at Trafalgar.

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    Thanks for the information.
    Very useful.
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    HMS Fairy was a 14 gun ship-sloop of the Swan Class and was built at the Royal Dockyard, Sheerness.

    The Swan Class was a group of 25 ship-sloops designed by John Williams, Surveyor of the Navy, of which 11 were built in Kent shipyards. HMS Fairy was the last of three ships of the class to be built at Sheerness. The Swan Class were noted for the lavish scale of their decorations and were the last sloops built for the Royal Navy with decorations on such a scale. Orders were made by the Admiralty that decorations on smaller vessels be far less lavish and future vessels were almost puritan by comparison.

    HMS Fairy was ordered by the Navy Board from the Royal Dockyard at Sheerness on 8th January 1777. At the time she was ordered, what had started as protests over taxation in the American Colonies and the heavy-handed methods of enforcing them had escalated into an armed rebellion and the Royal Navy was enforcing a blockade of rebel-held ports. Her keel was laid on 9th June 1777 and the ship was launched into the Swale on 24th October 1778. Her construction had been overseen by Mr John Jenner, Master Shipwright at Sheerness Royal Dockyard and was to be the only project he oversaw there before his death in 1779. After being fitted with guns, masts and rigging at Sheerness, the ship commissioned on 19th December, with Mr Thomas Lennox Frederick appointed as her Master and Commander. Her construction and fitting out at Sheerness had cost a total of £8,754.17s.4d.

    On completion, HMS Fairy was a ship of 302 tons. She was 96ft 7in long on her gundeck and 78ft 11in long at her keel. She was 26ft 10in wide across her beams. Her hold, the space between her lowest deck, the Orlop and her bottom was 12ft 10in deep. The ship was armed with 14 6pdr long guns on her gundeck with 8 half-pound swivel-guns on her quarterdeck with four more such guns on her forecastle. She was manned by a crew of 125 officers, men and boys.

    On 19th December 1778, HMS Fairy was declared complete at Sheerness at a total cost of £8,754.17s.4d. Commander Ferderick had had two previous commands, both in sister-ships to HMS Fairy, HMS Spy between October 1776 and June 1778 and HMS Swift from June 1778 to the point at which he took command of HMS Fairy. He had been 28 years of age when he took command of HMS Fairy. The ship was assigned to the North Sea, where she was engaged in protecting British shipping against attacks by French privateers. By this time, the war had escalated into a full-scale global war between the superpowers of the day with the entry of France and Spain into the war on the side of the American rebels. On 24th May 1779, HMS Fairy was operating in company with the 9pdr armed 24 gun post-ship HMS Amphitrite and the armed cutters HMS Sprightly, HMS Griffin, HMS Flying Fish and HMS Wells when they captured the French privateer La Dunkerquoise and three weeks later on 19th June, captured another French privateer, Le Maraudeur.

    In August 1779, Commander Frederick was posted and took command of the 20 gun sixth rate post-ship HMS Unicorn. Captain Frederick was to spend some time as a prisoner of war after HMS Unicorn was cornered and captured by a French frigate and two ships of the line. He only ordered his colours struck after putting up a fierce resistance against overwhelming odds. Cleared by a subsequent Court Martial of any blame, he went on to command the 98 gun second-rate ship of the line HMS Blenheim in Sir John Jervis' overwhelming victory against the Spanish at the Second Battle of Cape St Vincent in 1797 before promotion to Rear-Admiral. He died in 1799.

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    HMS Fairy's next commander was Sir Henry Edwyn Stanhope. She was his first appointment as Master and Commander, his previous appointment had been as a Lieutenant, but in command of HM Galley Pigot. During his tenure in command, HMS Fairy captured the American privateer brig Phoenix and the packet-boat Mercury. In April 1780, Commander Stanhope received orders to take his ship to Newfoundland, where he was to hand her over to her next commander and take up the appointment of appointed Master and Commander the 14 gun brig-sloop HMS Trepassey. His replacement in HMS Fairy was Mr George Cranfield Berkeley, whose previous appointment had been as Master and Commander in the 8 gun fireship HMS Firebrand. On 11th June 1780, HMS Fairy captured the American privateer brig Wilkes of 14 guns and ten days later, the American privateer brigantine Griffin. He was only in command until 15th September, when he was posted and appointed as captain in the 9pdr armed 28 gun frigate HMS Vestal.

    On 15th September 1780, Mr Joseph Brown was appointed Master and Commander in HMS Fairy. Between then and 13th January 1781, HMS Fairy was reassigned back to the English Channel. On 13th January, HMS Fairy was captured by the large frigate-built French privateer La Madame of 40 guns off the Isles of Scilly. Later that day however, with Mr Brown and his men prisoners of war aboard La Madame and with his ship under a French prize-crew, the two ships ran into the large British 74 gun third rate ship of the line HMS Valiant

    Both ships surrendered to the massively powerful British ship without firing a shot and Commander Brown and his men were restored to their ship. Mr Brown remained in command until the following month when he was replaced by Mr William Yeo, previously Master and Commander in HMS Fairy's sister-ship, HMS Swan.

    Mr Yeo remained in command until May 1783 when he was replaced by Mr William Thomas. Mr Thomas' previous appointment had been as Master and Commander in the 4pdr armed small ship-sloop HMS Hope of 14 guns. That ship had previously been the American privateer Lady Washington which had been taken by the British 44 gun ship HMS Roebuck and the ten gun ship-sloop HMS Alderney. Mr Thomas had been a lieutenant in HMS Roebuck and had ordered to take the prize to New York, where she had been purchased into the Royal Navy and renamed. He was appointed to be her Master and Commander on her being taken into the Royal Navy. Mr Thomas was to remain in command after the war's end in 1784.

    With the end of the American War of Independence in 1784, HMS Fairy settled into the peacetime role of a sloop-of-war in peacetime, which was to protect British shipping against piracy and generally 'showing the flag'. In May 1786, Commander Thomas was replaced in command by Captain John Manley. He remained in command of the ship until June of 1788, when the ship paid off at Woolwich Royal Dockyard for a brief refit. Two months later, the work was completed after having cost £2,793 and the ship recommissioned under Captain Sir Thomas Spry. HMS Fairy remained under Captain Spry until he paid her off in 1790. At some point during 1790, along with other ships of her class, HMS Fairy was fitted with 6 12pdr carronades, two on her forecastle and four on the quarterdeck. In June 1791, HMS Fairy recommissioned under Mr Francis Laforey. She was his first appointment in command and two months later, the ship sailed for the West Indies.

    By this time, the French Revolution had occurred and the Absolute Monarchy which had previously ruled France had been replaced by a Constitutional Monarchy along the lines of our own. This was broadly supported by the British, especially after the new Government in France had refused to become involved in the Spanish Armaments Crisis, forcing the Spanish to negotiate a settlement with the British.

    By the end of 1792, things in France had deteriorated to the point where the country was on the point of civil war. This was as a result of a power struggle between the King, Louis XVI and the National Convention. The National Convention was coming under the control of the arch-republican Jacobin movement led by Maximilien Robespierre. In late 1792 the Jacobins had gained control of the National Convention and in December, the French Monarchy was abolished. In January 1793, King Louis XVI and Queen Marie Antoinette were executed on the guillotine in Paris and the following month, France declared war on Britain.

    Shortly after the declaration of war, Commander Laforey received orders to return to the UK with dispatches and on 22nd April, HMS Fairy left Great Courland Bay, Tobago bound for England. In August 1793, Commander Laforey was posted and took command of the 9pdr armed 28 gun frigate HMS Carysfort.


    His replacement in HMS Fairy was Mr Richard Bridges. Although HMS Fairy was his first appointment as Master and Commander, he had had three years previous command experience in the armed cutter HMS Greyhound of 12 guns. With Bridges in command, HMS Fairy was assigned to the Channel Fleet and was engaged in enforcing the blockade of French Atlantic ports. For a sloop-of-war like HMS Fairy this was dangerous work as she would frequently be required to close with the enemy shore and keep a close eye on what was going on in French naval bases such as Brest and L'Orient.

    Commander Bridges remained in command until 12th March 1795, when Mr John Irwin was appointed as her Master and Commander. HMS Fairy was his first command appointment. On 22nd May, HMS Fairy captured the French privateer Le Hazard in the English Channel in company with the 18 gun ship-sloop HMS Racoon and the hired armed cutter Resolution. This success was followed on 19th July when in company with HMS Racoon, the Resolution, the hired armed cutters Flora and Venus, the enemy merchant vessel Aurora. Later that day, they also captured the Dutch blockade runner Vriendschaft.

    In July 1797, Mr Joshua Sydney Horton assumed command of HMS Fairy. She was his first command appointment. On 5th October that year, HMS Fairy sank a French privateer in the English Channel, off Boulogne.

    The night of the 12th November 1797 saw HMS Fairy laying at anchor off Calais in company with hired armed cutter Fox. Early the following morning, the two vessels weighed anchor and set off on a patrol westward along the French coast. Fox was running about seven miles ahead of HMS Fairy and at daybreak was seen to be flying the signal for enemy in sight. When the early morning haze cleared, HMS Fairy's lookouts spotted a French lugger about three miles ahead of the Fox. Commander Horton decided on a boat action and ordered that HMS Fairy's boats be launched. They were to proceed under sail along with the Fox and chase down the enemy vessel. As the chase unfolded, HMS Fairy's launch, her largest boat, under the command of Mr James Middleton, the ship's Purser, veered off in chase of a second lugger which they had spotted. Realizing that they were not going to catch the lugger they were originally chasing, Commander Horton ordered the rest of the boats together with the Fox to follow the launch and assist in capturing the second lugger. They were too late. By the time they got to the second lugger's location, they found that Mr Middleton and his seven men had already taken the enemy vessel, which turned out to be L'Epervier, with 2 guns, 2pdrs plus swivel guns and small arms with 25 men. The vessel was commanded by an Irishman, Mr George Hammond, who had escaped together with three of his men. Mr Middleton was the only member of the party wounded, he was grazed across the stomach by grapeshot. In his report to his superior, Rear-Admiral Joseph Peyton, Commander Horton gave full credit for the capture to Mr Middleton, writing "His gallantry on this occasion speaks for itself, nor is it the first time I have witnessed it. I beg leave to recommend him strongly to your attention.".

    On 11th January 1799, HMS Fairy captured the Spanish privateer Nostra Senora del Pont St Bonaventa of 8 guns and 55 men in the English Channel. HMS Fairy spend the rest of the year in patrolling the English Channel and escorting convoys. On 22nd November, she arrived in Plymouth Sound and lay alongside the large ex-French 18pdr armed 36 gun frigate HMS San Fiorenzo, where they exchanged dispatches and relayed signals for ships leaving Plymouth to join the Gibraltar, Lisbon and West India convoy then assembling in the Sound. Later that day, the convoy departed under the escort of the giant 100 gun first rate ship of the line HMS Queen Charlotte, the 80 gun ex-French third rate ship of the line HMS Sans Pareil and the 14 gun fireship HMS Tisiphone.



    In the early morning of 5th February 1800, HMS fairy was laying at anchor in St Aubyn's Bay, Jersey in company with the 32pdr carronade armed 18 gun brig-sloop HMS Harpy. The previous day, the 16-gun 4pdr armed topsail cutter HMS Seaflower had been chased by a French frigate, identified as the 18pdr armed 38 gun frigate Pallas. After breaking off the chase, the Pallas was seen to put into St Malo. At about 6am, the two British sloops weighed anchor and headed to St Malo, their intentions being to see if the Pallas was still there. At about 11:30, the two British sloops sighted a large ship running along the shore towards Brest, which was quickly identified as being their target. Commander Horton as the senior officer decided to bring the Pallas to action, calculating that between them and especially with HMS Harpy's 32pdr carronades, they should be able to get the better of the large and powerful French frigate. At about 12:20, seeing that there was no chance of bringing the Pallas to action all the time she was so close to the shore, Commander Horton decided to back off and open the range, hoping to entice the Pallas to give chase. The Frenchman took the bait and began to give chase immediately. At 13:00, the fight started, with both British sloops engaging the big French frigate at pistol-shot range, or about 30 yards. HMS Harpy took up a position astern of the Pallas and raked her through the stern a number of times. At about 15:00, the Frenchman broke off the action headed off under all sail to the north-east. After quickly making running repairs to their damaged rigging, HMS Fairy and HMS Harpy gave chase. At about 15:15, the Pallas sighted two ships dead ahead of her. The ships were soon afterwards sighted by the two British vessels. On sighting the strangers, Commander Horton signalled HMS Harpy to try to take up a position upwind of the French frigate. Having guessed that the strangers were friendly, Commander Horton ordered the signal 'Enemy in Sight' to be hoisted, repeated by HMS Harpy and both sloops began firing signal guns to draw attention to it. The approaching vessels were soon identified as being the ex-French 18pdr armed 38 gun frigate HMS Loire, the ex-French 32pdr carronade armed 20 gun post-ship HMS Danae and the small ex-French 12pdr carronade-armed 14 gun ship-sloop HMS Railleur. These vessels had been sent from Plymouth on 27th and 28th January with the express purpose of bringing the Pallas to action and capturing her. Realizing he was horribly outgunned, Captain Jacques Epron of the Pallas decided to try to run for Brest, pursued by no less than five enemy vessels. By 22:30, HMS Loire had caught up with the Pallas, which had managed to close with the shore and the cover of a shore battery. Undeterred, HMS Loire began a gunnery duel with the Pallas, despite coming under fire from the shore as well. By 23:00, the sloops had caught up. At about 01:30, HMS Harpy assumed a position under the Pallas' stern and fired in a full broadside. The French had had enough and surrendered. In the Capture of the Pallas, HMS Fairy suffered casualties of four seamen killed, Commander Horton and Mr Hughes, the purser, plus six seamen wounded. The Pallas turned out to be a fine and powerful frigate of 1,029 tons and was purchased into the Royal Navy as HMS Pique.


    The Chase and Capture of the Pallas by John Bentham-Dinsale:


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    On 9th February 1800, HMS Fairy arrived in Plymouth and on arrival, as a reward for his actions in the Capture of the Pallas, Commander Horton was posted, or promoted to Captain and left to take up an appointment ashore. He was replaced by Mr Richard Curry, whose previous appointment had been as Master and Commander in the 16 gun ship-sloop HMS Fury.
    On 28th February 1800, Mr William Dimock Smith, Boatswain in HMS Fairy faced a Court Martial held aboard HMS Gladiator (44) in Portsmouth Harbour, charged with Drunkenness, Neglect of Duty and behaving in a contemptuous manner towards his Captain. These charges are surprising considering that, as the ships Boatswain, Mr Smith was the highest ranking Warrant Officer on a sloop-of-war like HMS Fairy. Mr Smith was found guilty and was stripped of his rank. As a further punishment and to send a signal to any other senior warrant officers that such behavior was unacceptable, he was ordered to serve 'Before the Mast', ie. as a seaman, on any ship that the Commander-in-Chief at Portsmouth should direct.

    On 18th July 1800, another of HMS Fairy's men faced a Court Martial aboard HMS Gladiator. This time, it was Mr Joseph Brown, Able Seaman in HMS Fairy, charged with desertion. This normally carried a death sentence, but Brown had greatly distinguished himself during the wreck of the 98 gun second rate ship of the line HMS Impregnable off Chichester the previous year. In recognition of his bravery in that event, Brown was sentenced to have all his pay deducted instead.
    In September 1805, HMS Fairy was paid off and laid up at Plymouth. Old and worn out, the ship was beyond economical repair. She remained at Plymouth until July 1811, when she was broken up.

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    Thank you for starting this thread Richard and the others for adding. This information that is being compiled is an excellent resource.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torrence View Post
    Thank you for the pictures and the articles, I added them to the list!
    And thank you for the Reputation!
    Could someone shed light on the two states of the USS Constitution and what were the optical differences? It was not too difficult to find the information for HMS Victory but iI'm really not a Constitution expert...
    I used this article to paint mine: http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling...07/734695.aspx

    I have always been intrigued by this stamp image from a 1803 painting:
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    Why was the FOREVER crossed off?


    Quote Originally Posted by Herkybird View Post
    I used this article to paint mine: http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling...07/734695.aspx

    I have always been intrigued by this stamp image from a 1803 painting:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
    Why was the FOREVER crossed off?
    Frankly, I have no idea! That was the way the image came off the Google image search. Its from this site.

    I personally wish the good 'ol USA a long and happy future!

    I had a little go at touching up the pic.....

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    Email or PM your address and I'll send you a new one.


    Quote Originally Posted by Herkybird View Post
    Frankly, I have no idea! That was the way the image came off the Google image search. Its from this site.

    I personally wish the good 'ol USA a long and happy future!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herkybird View Post
    That article is brilliant! I only wish it had some pictures of the different colour states.

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    There is a side view plan of HMS Swan available at http://prints.rmg.co.uk/art/494616/l...-and-swan-1767 but it is not very clear.
    Similarly for HMS Amphion http://prints.rmg.co.uk/art/493726/l...f-amphion-1780
    HMS Iphigenia http://prints.rmg.co.uk/art/525692/l...d-success-1781
    HMS Juno http://prints.rmg.co.uk/art/525848/i...n-of-juno-1780
    HMS Meleager http://prints.rmg.co.uk/art/525849/i...780-andromache

    They probably have plans for all the ships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    There is a side view plan of HMS Swan available at http://prints.rmg.co.uk/art/494616/l...-and-swan-1767 but it is not very clear.
    Similarly for HMS Amphion http://prints.rmg.co.uk/art/493726/l...f-amphion-1780
    HMS Iphigenia http://prints.rmg.co.uk/art/525692/l...d-success-1781
    HMS Juno http://prints.rmg.co.uk/art/525848/i...n-of-juno-1780
    HMS Meleager http://prints.rmg.co.uk/art/525849/i...780-andromache

    They probably have plans for all the ships.
    Thank you, I think it's a good idea to add the plans to the ships as an extra point like I did with the history.
    So from now on we're not only looking for coloured depictions but also for the plans!

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    HMS Meleager is the second ship in this line behind the HMS Agamemnon. Can't see much in this pic but their might be better sources with more detail.
    http://www.military-art.com/mall/images/li0017.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torrence View Post
    Thank you, I think it's a good idea to add the plans to the ships as an extra point like I did with the history.
    So from now on we're not only looking for coloured depictions but also for the plans!
    Guess that's someone else's pigeon then Richard.
    Rob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Guess that's someone else's pigeon then Richard.
    Rob.
    Yes, Diamondback made a beautiful guide about ship types (and which SoG miniature can be used to portrait which historical ship): http://sailsofglory.org/showthread.p...ght=stretching
    Seems there you can find any SoG related ship plans you desire!

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    Two for the price of one today.

    Proserpine/HMS Amelia.




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    Proserpine was a 38-gun Hébé-classfrigate of the French Navy launched in 1785 and captured by HMS Dryad on 13 June 1796. The Admiralty commissioned Proserpine into the Royal Navy as the fifth rate, HMS Amelia. She spent 20 years in the Royal Navy, participating in numerous actions in the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars, capturing a number of prizes, and serving on anti-smuggling and anti-slavery patrols. Her most notable action was her intense and bloody, but inconclusive, fight with Aréthuse in 1813. Amelia was broken up in December 1816.

    French naval service (1785-1796)


    Proserpine was stationed at
    Saint Domingue from 1786 until 1788. In 1792, she was under Ensign Van Stabel.[6] From 1793, she served as a commerce raider under Captain Jean-Baptiste Perrée, notably capturing the 32-gun Dutch frigate Vigilante and several merchantmen of a convoy that Vigilante was escorting. On 23 June 1795, under Captain Daugier, Proserpine took part in the Battle of Groix as the flagship of Admiral Villaret de Joyeuse. She unsuccessfully attempted to regroup the French fleet, almost colliding with the Droits de l'Homme in the process. Proserpine then fired a broadside at the approaching British fleet before she escaped
    Almost a year later, on 13 June 1796, about 12
    leagues south of Cape Clear, Ireland, the frigate Dryad, under the command of CaptainLord Amelius Beauclerk, captured Proserpine following a relatively brief chase but a bitter action. In the engagement, Proserpine, under the command of Citizen Pevrieu, lost 30 men killed and 45 wounded out of her crew of 348 men. Dryad had two men killed and seven wounded. In 1847 the Admiralty awarded the Naval General Service Medal with clasp "Dryad 13 June 1796" to all surviving claimants from the action.
    As the Royal Navy already had a
    Proserpine, the Admiralty renamed the captured vessel HMS Amelia. The Royal Navy classified her as a fifth rate of a nominal thirty-eight guns. The deck and sheer and profile plans made following survey at Plymouth in 1797 are now in the National Maritime Museum.


    The Battle of Tory Island (1798)


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    She joined Ethalion and Sylph on 18 September 1798 blockading the French Brest Squadron, preventing them sailing for Ireland to support the Irish Rebellion with troops. During the night of 11 – 12 October Commodore, SirJohn Borlase Warren made the signal for a general chase. Commodore Warren's squadron engaged the French squadron, and captured the Hoche (74 guns) and the frigates Embuscade, Coquille and Bellone. In doing so, the British also captured Wolfe Tone, the leader of the United Irishmen. In 1847 the Admiralty awarded the surviving claimants from the battle the Naval General Service Medal with clasp "12th October 1798".


    The Channel blockade (1798-1802)

    On 31 January 1799, while at anchor in the Hamoaze, Formidable broke free from her moorings and struck the Amelia. Fortunately both ships had struck their topmasts and damage was light. Amelia was able to sail on 4 February.

    On 9 April, after reconnoitering two French frigates in L'Orient, St Fiorenzo and Amelia sailed towards Belle Île in very hazy weather. Here three French frigates and a large gun vessel hiding against the coast surprised them. At that instant a sudden squall carried away Amelia's main-top-mast and fore and mizzen top-gallant masts; the fall of the former tore much of the mainsail from the yard. Captain Neale of the San Fiorenzo shortened sail and ordered Amelia to bear up with him to maintain the weather gage and prepare for battle. The enemy showed no inclination for close-quarter action and, although the British ships came under fire from shore batteries, they had to bear down on the French three times to engage them. After nearly two hours the French wore ship and stood away to take refuge in the Loire. From a captured French ship they learned later that the French frigates were the Vengeance, Sémillante and Cornélie. Amelia lost 2 killed and 17 wounded.
    On 29 August 1800, in Vigo Bay, Admiral Sir
    Samuel Hood assembled a cutting-out party from the vessels under his command consisting of two boats each from Amelia, Stag, Amethyst, Brilliant and Cynthia, four boats from Courageaux, as well as the boats from Renown, London and Impetueux The party went in and after a 15-minute fight captured the French privateer Guêpe, of Bordeaux and towed her out. She was of 300 tons burthen and had a flush deck. Pierced for 20 guns, she carried eighteen 9-pounders, and she and her crew of 161 men were under the command of Citizen Dupan. In the attack she lost 25 men killed, including Dupan, and 40 wounded. British casualties amounted to four killed, 23 wounded and one missing.
    In 1847 the Admiralty awarded the Naval General Service Medal with clasp "29 Aug. Boat Service 1800" to all surviving claimants from the action.
    During a dark and stormy night on 5 February 1801 Amelia captured the French
    privateerbrig Juste of St Malo. It was so dark that the two vessels did not see each other until the brig ran into the Amelia, which cost the brig her foremast and bowsprit. Juste, with 14 guns and 78 men under the command of Jean Pierre Charlet, had been out from Lorient for 30 days without making a capture. A prize crew brought Juste into Plymouth on 10 February, and Amelia returned on 21 February.
    On 10 May Amelia had just anchored close to the mouth of the
    Loire when she saw a brig sailing in to the river. As soon as the privateer spotted Amelia she tacked with all sail. As evening was approaching, Captain Charles Herbert immediately set off in pursuit, capturing the brig after a chase of four hours. She was the privateer Heureux of Saint Malo, with 14 guns and 78 men. She had been cruising for 41 days but had made no captures. She was uncoppered due to the shortage of that material and this possibly resulted in her being slower than she otherwise might have been.[16] Amelia sent Heureux into Plymouth, where she arrived on 17 May.

    On 23 June Amelia took
    bullocks out to the Channel Fleet.

    This was a common occurrence, with the Victualing Office using warships returning to the blockade to deliver meat on the hoof.
    Next, on 4 August, a
    Spanishpacket came into Plymouth. Amelia had captured the packet as she was on her way from Havana to Ferrol with a cargo of sugar, coffee and hides. The packet was armed with six guns and had a crew of 40 men.
    At the end of June, Amelia sailed to
    Rochefort to reconnoitre the enemy. Medusa (50 guns), together with an unidentified 44-gun ship and an armed schooner, came out to oppose her. A smart action ensued in full view of the spectators lining the cliffs. Although the Embuscade (32 guns) sailed out to assist them, the enemy retired under the protection of the shore batteries after an hour. Captain Herbert lay to, but they declined to come out again, so he sailed to join Sir Edward Pellew.
    In September Amelia captured a number of
    coasters and brigs in the Bay of Biscay. One of them, the brig Cheodore, laden with sardines, arrived in Plymouth on 27 September, together with another brig in ballast. Shortly after, a seaman from Amelia died in the Royal Naval Hospital after being wounded by a loaded musket which went off as the armourer was cleaning it. At the inquest, on 19 October, Mr Whitford, the coroner for Devon recorded a verdict of accidental death. Two more men were wounded but recovered and a third man, who was killed on the spot, was buried at sea.


    Anti-smuggling service and the Peace of Amiens (1802-1803)


    On 6 January 1802 Amelia was ordered to be victualed for 4 months, and 21 days later she sailed on a cruise against smugglers. During the night of 1 March some words passed between the boat's crew of Amelia and some
    Portuguese seamen at the Pier Head, Barbican, Plymouth. A violent scuffle ensued which developed into a battle; during the conflict one of the Portuguese drew a long knife and stabbed one of Amelia's men in the groin. He bled profusely but a surgeon managed to stop the flow. The Portuguese fled but were rounded up the following morning.
    In April 1802 Captain
    Lord Proby took command. On 6 May Amelia sailed from Plymouth for Cork, Waterford and Dublin with 150 discharged seamen, returning on 28 May. Orders came down from London on 11 June that all the sloops and frigates in the Sound were to be sent to sea immediately as the coast from Berry Head to Mount's Bay was infested with smugglers. Amelia, Amethyst, Blanche and Rosario were immediately victualled for two months. By the end of August 1802, Amelia had sailed for Den Helder with Dutch troops discharged from the British service. She returned on 4 September.
    1803 saw Amelia based mainly at Portsmouth. She arrived there from
    the Downs on 27 March and sailed on 1 April with part of the 83rd (County of Dublin) Regiment of Foot for Jersey. She was back on 8 April and sailed again for the Downs on the 15th.
    In May she was part of the squadron under Rear Admiral
    Edward Thornbrough in Raisonnable, keeping watch over Hellevoetsluis, Flushing, Netherlands and other Dutch ports. Amelia sent a French chasse-marée in ballast into Plymouth on 23 May, and on 11 August the French privateer luggerAlerte, of 4 guns and 27 men, into Portsmouth. She chased two others in mid-channel before returning on 16 August. She sailed again on a cruise two days later. The extent of her success against smugglers is hard to judge. On 14 August she did catch at sea one Henry Sothcott (born 1774), who was sentenced to 5 years pressed into the Navy for smuggling; he jumped ship within seven months.


    The West Indies (1804-1807)

    Amelia deployed to the Leeward Islands Station, but her Captain, Lord Proby, died on 6 August 1804 at age 25 at Surinam, from yellow fever. Captain William Charles Fahie took command while the ship was in Barbados. In December she captured the Spanish brig Isabella and the ship Conception, both laden with wine and brandy, and the ship Commerce, laden with cotton. Amelia returned to Deptford and in 1807 refitted at Sheerness.


    Battle of Les Sables-d'Olonne


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    December 1807 saw Captain
    Frederick Paul Irby appointed to her for service in the English Channel and coast of Spain. He sighted three French 44-gun frigates (Calypso, Italienne and Sybille) near Belle Île on 23 February 1809 and Amelia and the brig Dotterel chased them all night. The following morning they had approached so close to the rearmost French ship that her companions had to haul up to her support. Naiad soon came into sight and the French made for the Sables d'Olonne. Rear Admiral Stopford and his squadron, who had been watching eight French sail-of-the-line standing into the Pertuis d'Antioche, came down to join them and stood in with Caesar, Defiance, Donegal and Amelia. They opened fire, passing as near to the enemy as the depth of water permitted, and forced the frigates to run ashore at the top of high water. Amelia had her bowsprit shot through and she was hulled in several places but had no casualties. The French lost 24 men killed and 51 wounded. The three French frigates survived, but Cybèle was declared irreparable and broken up, while Italienne and Calypso were sold to commerce.

    The Battle of the Basque Roads (1809)


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    Amelia was present with
    Admiral Lord Gambier at the blockade of Basque Roads in April 1809. There she was directed to dislodge the French who were endeavouring to strengthen their position in Aix Roads. On 1 April she destroyed some batteries there. She was reconnoitering with Alcmene when Alcmene was wrecked on the Three Stones on the north end of the La Blanche shoal near the mouth of the Loire on 30 April. Amelia was instrumental in rescuing the crew and a great part of Alcmene* '​s stores.


    Action at Santander (1809-10)

    On 15 May 1809 Lord Gambier ordered Captain Irby to investigate the situation at St. Ander where an attack was about to be made by Spanish patriots on the French troops in the town. Statira joined him on 8 June but strong winds and current prevented them getting there before 10 June. As they approached they could see firing on shore and several vessels trying to escape from the harbour. The two British ships captured three French vessels: The corvette Mouche, of sixteen brass 8-pounders and 180 men;[23] the brig Réjouie with eight 8-pounders; and a schooner, Mouche No.7, with one 4-pounder gun. They also took two luggers: Légère, which was unseaworthy so her cargo was put on board Réjouie; and Notre Dame, a Spanish vessel the French had seized. The aide-de-camp to General Ballestero reported that the town was in possession of the Spanish and that the French troops had all surrendered. Because of the large number of prisoners, Captain Irby sent Statira into the harbour with the prizes while Amelia remained off the coast in hopes of being able to render more assistance to the Spaniards. The corvette Mouche, which the sloop Goldfinch and the hired armed lugger Black Joke had recently engaged, had been a threat to British trade for some time. Lloyd's List reported that on 20 June the Mouche, French corvette, of 18 guns and 180 men, with "Soldier's Cloathing, and Specie", the "French brig Resource laden with masts", and a "French schooner in Ballast" had arrived at Plymouth. They had arrived from St Ander and were prizes to Statira and Amelia.

    Capture of the privateer Charles (1810)

    Amelia captured the corvette-built privateer Charles of Bordeaux on 8 November 1810 about 400 miles west of Finisterre.

    Amelia chased Charles for 13 hours, with the speed reaching as much as 12.5 knots. Charles, of 300 tons burthen (bm), was pierced for 22 guns but mounted twelve 6-pounder guns and eight 18-pounder carronades, all English measurement. She had a crew of 170 men under the command of Pierre Alexandre Marrauld. Charles was about eight months old, but was on her maiden cruise, having sailed from Lorient on 4 October bound for Ile de France. Amelia arrived in Plymouth Sound on 16 November.


    Destruction of Amazone (1811)


    On the morning of 24 March 1811 Captain
    James Macnamara in Berwick gave chase to the French frigate Amazone about 12 or 13 miles off the Barfleur lighthouse and forced her to take refuge in a rocky bay about a mile to the west of the lighthouse. Amelia, Niobe, and the brig-sloopsGoshawk and Hawk, joined Berwick, hoping to launch an attack with boats. When the tides proved too strong for a boat attack, Niobe led in, with Amelia and Berwick following in succession, and they fired on Amazone for two hours. Amelia had one man killed and one wounded in the exchange. The British squadron sailed in again on the following morning to renew the attack but her crew had set fire to Amazone and she had burned to the waterline.

    Passage to Canada (1811)

    Leaving Lymington on 11 April 1811, she sailed for Canada with a convoy. On 18 June she left Quebec carrying General Sir James Henry Craig from Canada to England when he was relieved as Governor-General.


    The West African Station (1811-1813)

    On 15 October 1811 Amelia sailed for the coast of Africa where Captain Irby became senior officer of the anti-slavery squadron there. Throughout her time on the station Amelia suffered with damp powder. Although the large portion which had caked in the magazine was sent ashore to be dried, the problem was never properly solved. In June 1812 Irby learned that the natives at Winneba, half way between Accra and Cape Coast Castle, had murdered Mr Meredith, the governor of the fort. When the authorities at Cape Coast Castle asked for Captain Irby's assistance he sailed for Winneba with a detachment of the Africa corps under Mr Smith, Governor of Tantumquerry, and anchored off the port on 2 July. The natives had fled so he landed his marines and the troops, who demolished the fort.
    In January 1813 Lieutenant Pascoe had to run his gunbrig
    Daring on shore and burn her at the island of Tamara, Iles de Los, after being chased by three French vessels. Two days later he and part of his crew arrived in the river of Sierra Leone where Amelia was about to leave for England, with many of her crew debilitated with fever and barely fit for duty after more than 12 months on the station. Before leaving, Captain Irby sent Lieutenant Pascoe off in a small schooner to reconnoitre.


    Amelia and Aréthuse

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    Amelia in action with the French Frigate Aréthuse, 1813, by John Christian Schetky, 1852.

    Pascoe reported back on 3 February that he had sighted a force consisting of three ships. Two were the French frigates
    Aréthuse (Captain Pierre Bouvet), and Rubis (Commander Louis-François Ollivier). The third ship was a Portuguese prize, La Serra, which they were unloading before sailing to intercept British merchant vessels, a convoy from England being expected daily. The master and the rest of the crew from Daring arrived in a cartel, having given their parole, and confirmed Lieutenant Pascoe's report. Standing in towards Tamara on 6 February, Captain Irby met the government schooner Princess Charlote and learnt that the two frigates were anchored a considerable distance apart. Although he was not aware of it, Rubis, the southernmost one, had struck a rock, which had disabled her. Aréthuse weighed and stood out to sea followed by Amelia, Captain Irby having hopes of enticing her into action. For nearly four hours they exchanged fire, throughout which Aréthuse used the usual French practice of firing high. Having cut Amelia's sails and running and standing rigging to pieces, the French ship bore up. Twice during the action the enemy had attempted to board but the marines, under the command of Lieutenant Simpson of the Royal Marines, drove them back.

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    The fight of the French frigate Aréthuse and Amelia on the shores of Guinea, 7 February 1813, by Louis-Philippe Crepin

    The British losses were heavy, with 46 killed, including Lieutenants John Bates, John Pope and George Wills, Lieutenant William Pascoe, the commander of Daring, and Second Lieutenant R G Grainger, Royal Marines. Five more men died of their wounds later. Fifty-one were dangerously or seriously wounded, and 44 slightly wounded. Captain Irby appointed Lieutenant Reeve, invalided from
    Kangaroo and wounded several times in the action, as his first lieutenant, and master's mates Samuel Umfreville and Edward Robinson (who had been severely wounded) as second and third. Mr Williamson, the surgeon, his assistant Mr Burke and Mr Stewart of Daring cared for the wounded as the crippled Amelia made her way north towards Madeira and then home, arriving at Spithead on 22 March. The wounded were examined by the Lieutenant Governor of the Royal Hospital at Greenwich who was astonished at their debilitated condition.
    Aréthuse mounted twenty-six 18-pounder long guns on the main deck and fourteen 24-pounder carronades and two 8-pounder long guns on the upper deck. Amelia put more than 30 round shot in her hull on the starboard side below the quarter deck and, according to one report, the French suffered at least 31 killed and 74 wounded; French accounts report 20 killed and 88 to 98 wounded. Still, Aréthuse arrived in St Malo on 19 April. The Rubis was burnt on 8 February when it was found impossible to re-float her. A flavour of the intensity of the battle may be gained from
    William James writing in his Naval History of Great Britain, 1793 - 1827.


    In addition to her ship's company, she brought at least one passenger: Exbury parish baptism register records the baptism on 6 June 1813 of a boy, "Irby Amelia Frederick, aged 9 or 10, a native of Poppoe near Whidah, Africa, who was stolen as a slave, but rescued at sea by HMS Amelia" - it is recorded in the Baptismal Register of 1813 as being "in grateful testimony of the humanity and intrepidity of his gallant deliverer".
    Reserve at Portsmouth and Mediterranean service (1813-1816)
    Amelia paid off at Portsmouth in May 1813, underwent a small repair, and then was placed
    in ordinary. The Honourable Granville Proby, younger brother of Lord William Proby, who had died in command in 1804, recommissioned her for a cruise in 1814. She was in Leghorn in December 1816, and was broken up at Deptford that same month, having given 30 years of continual wartime service to both the French and British navies.

    Commanding officers
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    April 1802
    6 August 1804
    Captain William Allen Proby, Lord Proby (died in command)
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    Captain John Woolcombe
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    June 1805
    Lieutenant Charles Eakins (acting)
    June 1805
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    Captain William Charles Fahie
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    Captain William Champain
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    Captain Frederick Paul Irby
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    Thank you, Rob, great article as always!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
    Why was the FOREVER crossed off?
    I'm pretty sure the post office crosses it out to show that the image is not a legitimate "Forever" stamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbs View Post
    I'm pretty sure the post office crosses it out to show that the image is not a legitimate "Forever" stamp.
    It is a legit forever stamp. I've been using them for years and still have some. But I noticed that "Forever" was crossed out on pictures of other forever stamps. Don't know why

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    That was a really comprehensive article, Rob. It must have taken a long time to assemble.

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    I am finding that the articles are very interesting to compile Dave. Most of the time seems to be taken up with trying to verify pictures, or sort out which ship is which, and getting side tracked by other interesting articles which come to light during the research. Then I have to archive those as well in some way, just in case they are useful in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
    It is a legit forever stamp. I've been using them for years and still have some. But I noticed that "Forever" was crossed out on pictures of other forever stamps. Don't know why
    It's like in credit card ads when the card says John Doe to show it is not a valid card. This keeps the unimaginative forgers from cutting and pasting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
    It is a legit forever stamp. I've been using them for years and still have some. But I noticed that "Forever" was crossed out on pictures of other forever stamps. Don't know why
    I think it is to try and keep people from printing the pics and trying to use them as stamps.

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    Whilst trawling for information, I noticed that Cpt. Kangaroo has already provided comprehensive studies, albeit sans pictures in some cases, for
    the following ships:-

    Bellona
    Commerce de Bordeaux
    Fougueux
    Concorde
    Amazon
    Cleopatre
    Hermione
    Embuscade
    Juno and HMS Concorde

    Here is the thread ref:- http://sailsofglory.org/showthread.p...Scrapbook-page

    I will, therefore, restrict my ships to the ones which he has not provided.
    Rob.

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    I will contact him and ask, if we're allowed to link to his articles in this thread. Thanks for the hint, Rob.

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    Just want you all to know I am thoroughly enjoying this thread. Thank you Torrence for starting it.

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    And thank you for your kind words and the Rep, Vol!

    Although I'm not constantly posting update notes, I'm still adding new pictures every now and then.

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    The Redoutable.



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    Redoutable was a
    Téméraire class74-gunship of the line of the French Navy.


    The ship was laid down at Brest in January 1790, and launched as Suffren on 31 May 1791. She was the first ship of the French Navy named in honour of Vice-admiral
    Suffren de Saint Tropez, who had died a hero of the American War of Independence on 8 December 1788. She was completed there in December 1792.


    Quibéron mutinies.

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    Suffren was attached to the Brest fleet under Vice-admiral de Grimouard, later replaced by
    Morard de Galles. Under Captain Obet, she departed Brest in 1793 for a cruise to Quibéron In September, the crews of the fleet revolted in the Quibéron mutinies, including the crew of Suffren.

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    In retaliation, Suffren was renamed Redoutable on 20 May 1794. The same day, she received the new naval flag of the Republic, the full tricolour which replaced the white flag with a tricolour canton, and hoisted her.

    Service in Brest.

    From March to June 1794, Redoutable, under Captain Dorré, was the flagship of the naval station of Cancale. The division of Cancale was under Dorré, and was composed of Redoutable and her sister-ship
    Nestor, under Captain Monnier.

    In December, she took part in the
    Croisière du Grand Hiver under Captain Moncousu; upon departure, she broke her cables, but unlike the ill-fated Républicain, she managed to reach the open sea, followed by the frigate Vertu. However, the damage sustained in the incident forced her to cancel her departure, and she returned to Brest.


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    In February 1795, Redoutable was the flagship of a division under Rear-
    admiral
    Kerguelen within the fleet of Brest, under Villaret-Joyeuse. Still under Captain Moncousu and with Commander Bourayne as first officer, she took part in the Battle of Groix on 23 June 1795, where her poor sailing properties compelled the frigate Virginie, under Captain Bergeret, to take her in tow. During the battle, she was one of the few ships of observe Villaret's orders to support Alexandre.] Later, along with Tigre, she attempted to support Formidable, but to no avail as Formidable '​s tops caught fire and she ceased all resistance to save herself, eventually striking her colours.[ After the battle, she sailed back to Port-Louis, near Lorient,


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    In December 1796, Redoutable took part in the
    Expédition d'Irlande under Moncousu, by then promoted to Rear-admiral, and was the first French ship to reach Bantry Bay.


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    After rallying elements of the French fleet. In the night of 22 to 23 December, she accidentally collided with
    Nielly's flagship, the frigate Résolue, dismasting her of her bowsprit, foremast, and mizzen; only her mainmast stayed upright. the 74-gun Pégase took Résolue in tow and returned with her to Brest, where they arrived on 30 December; Redoutable eventually limped back to Brest, where she arrived on 5 January 1797, in consort with Fougueux, Trajan, Neptune and Tourville, and four frigates.
    Service in the Caribbean.


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    In March 1802, the Redoutable was the flagship of a squadron of two
    ships of the line and four frigates under Admiral Bouvet sent to reinforce Guadeloupe in 1802 and in the Saint-Domingue expedition in 1803, departing on 9 January from Ajaccio with troops and arriving on 4 February.

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    In 1803, Redoutable, under Captain Siméon, was part of a naval division under Rear-admiral
    Bedout, based in Saint-Domingue. The division was composed of the 74-gun Argonaute as flagship, with Captain Bourdé as Bedout's flag officer; the 74-guns Redoutable and Aigle, under Captain Gourrège; the frigate Vertu, under Commander Montalan; and the corvettes Serpente, under Commander Gallier-Labrosse, and Éole, under Lieutenant Descorches.
    Battle of Trafalgar.


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    Redoutable (second from left) overtakes Neptune (far left), rushing to cover the aft of Bucentaure (far right) from Nelson's Victory (centre).


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    Redoutable simultaneously engaged by Victory and Temeraire
    At the
    Battle of Trafalgar, on 21 October 1805, Redoutable was commanded by Captain Lucas, with Lieutenant Dupotet as first officer

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    Redoutable was the third ship behind the flagship
    Bucentaure in the French line, coming behind Maistral's Neptune and Quevedo's San Leandro. When Neptune and San Leandro dropped behind Bucentaure, exposing her stern, Redoutable rushed to cover her and prevent Nelson's Victory from cutting the Franco-Spanish line of battle.


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    With her bowsprit almost touching Bucentaure '​s stern, Redoutable fired on Victory '​s rigging for ten minutes, trying to disable her to prevent the crossing of the French line, but did not manage to stop her advance, despite cutting off her foremast tops, her mizzen and her main topgallant, and ended up running afoul of her. A furious, fifteen-minute musket duel erupted between the two ships; the crew of Redoutable had been especially trained by Lucas for such an occasion, and soon the heavy hand-grenade and small-arms fire on Victory '​s quarterdeck mortally wounded
    Vice AdmiralHoratio Nelson.


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    Lucas later reported:-

    A violent small-arms exchange ensued; our fire became so superior that within fifteen minutes, we had silenced that of Victory; her castles were covered with dead and wounded, and admiral Nelson was killed by our gunfire. Almost at once, the castles of the enemy ship were evacuated and Victory completely ceased fighting us; but boarding her proved difficult because of her elevated third battery. I ordered the rigging of the great yard be cut and that it be carried to serve as a bridge.


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    Redoutable during the late stages of the battle, dismasted and attacked by two larger ships.
    The French crew were about to board Victory when
    Temeraire intervened, firing on the exposed French crew at point blank range, killing or wounding 200 men, including Lucas and Dupotet, struck by a bullet to the knee who nevertheless remained at their stations.


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    The crew of Redoutable rushed to man her artillery and engage Temeraire with her starboard battery, Soon,
    Tonnant took a position at stern of Redoutable, which thus found herself fired upon from three larger ships. In the ensuing cannonade, Redoutable lost most of her artillery, including two guns that burst, killing several gunners. Temeraire hailed for Redoutable to surrender, but Lucas had volley of musketry fired for replies.
    At 1.55 pm, Redoutable, with Lucas severely wounded, and only 99 men still fit out of 643 (300 dead and 222 severely wounded), was essentially defenceless. The
    Fougueux attempted to come to her aid but came afoul of Temeraire. After ascertaining that Redoutable was too damaged to survive the aftermath of the battle, and worried that she would sink before his wounded could be evacuated, Lucas struck his colours at 2:30. Redoutable '​s aft featured a large opening and was in danger of collapsing, her rudder was shot off, and the hull was pierced in many spots.


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    Being much damaged and weakened by the fight themselves, the British ships took some time to take possession of Redoutable, and Lucas had to request urgent assistance to pump water, as four of Redoutable '​s pumps were destroyed and few of her crewmen could man them.
    Redoutable was freed from the rigging of Temeraire around 7 in the evening and was taken in tow by
    Swiftsure. The next day, Redoutable made distress signals, and Swiftsure launched boats to evacuate her passengers; she foundered around 7, taking 196 men with her. Lucas reported:
    On the 30th, at 5pm, she was forced to ask for assistance; there was only time to save the captain and the men who were not wounded, as at 7pm, her stern collapsed and she foundered. 50 wounded were saved as they clung to floating debris from the ship. Victory had sustained 160 casualties, and Temeraire 120. Of Redoutable '​s crew, 169 were taken onboard
    Swiftsure; the wounded were sent to Cadiz on a cartel, and 35 men were taken prisoner to England. Lucas was received in England with great courtesy. After his release from capture, he was personally awarded the rank of Commandeur of the
    Legion of Honour by Napoleon for his role during the battle.


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    Ah, thanks for that, Le Redoutable is my favourite French ship, hence my Avatar!

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    Thank you for a very informative post. Brilliant.

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    Thank you Paul.
    I now owe you all a drink in the Wardroom.
    You have provided my 100th Rep point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Thank you Paul.
    I now owe you all a drink in the Wardroom.
    You have provided my 100th Rep point.
    Rob.
    Congratulations! Well deserved Sir!

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    FRENCH FRIGATE COURAGEUSE.




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    Courageuse was a 12-pounder Concorde class frigate of the French Navy. She was launched in 1778. The British captured her in 1799 and thereafter used her as a receiving ship or prison hulk at Malta before breaking her up in 1802.
    The Concorde class was a type of 32-gun
    frigate of the French Navy, designed by Henri Chevillard, carrying 12-pounder long guns as their main armament. Three ships of this type were built between 1778 and 1779, and served during the American War of Independence and the French Revolutionary Wars.


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    The class is noteworthy for comprising a fourth unit,
    Hermione, laid down in 1997 and launched in 2012; she is a replica ship of the Hermione of 1779, famous for ferrying General Lafayette and for her role in the Naval battle of Louisbourg


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    under the command of Lieutenant
    de Latouche, who would rise to become Vice-admiral Latouche-Tréville.



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    Lieutenant de Latouche


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    Vice-admiral Latouche-Tréville.


    Career.


    In 1790, under Captain de Grasse-Briançon, Courageuse was part of the Toulon squadron under Vice-admiral de Poute de Nieuil From 2 August, she ferried troops and civil commissioners to Corsica, and cruised in the area before making a port call to Ajaccio and eventually returning to Toulon on 30 October. In 1792, under Captain de La Croix de Saint-Vallier, Courageuse sailed off Smyrna, Saloniki and Tripoli, returning to Smyrna on 6 December. In January 1793, she escorted a convoy to Marseille, and from there returned to Toulon, arriving on 12 May.


    Courageuse took part in the
    Croisière du Grand Hiver in the winter of 1794-1795, under Captain Dalbarade.
    She was part of the naval division under Rear-admiral
    Renaudin, which arrived in Toulon on 2 April 1795.



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    Rear-admiral Renaudin

    In the summer of 1795, she was part of the station of the
    Gulf of Roses, under Lieutenant Pourquier, supporting the Army of the Pyrenees in the Siege of Roses. On 9 July, she defended herself against a Spanish squadron, composed of 16 gunboats, supported by three frigates and two ships of the line. Courageuse, supported by artillery fire from French-held forts, successfully fended off the attack.


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    In the fleet of Toulon, Courageuse took part in the
    Mediterranean campaign of 1798; after the Battle of the Nile, she was armed en flûte and ferried supplies for the French Army in Egypt and Syria.
    Under Captain
    Trullet, Courageuse was part of the Syrian naval station under Rear-admiral Perrée.


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    She ferried artillery and ammunition of the French Army besieging Acre; on 9 April 1799, she captured the British gunboat
    Foudre.
    HMS Centaur captured Courageuse in the Action of 18 June 1799.


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    French sources report that Courageuse was used as a
    prison hulk for French prisoners at Port Mahon.
    British sources report that the British commissioned HMS Courageuse under Commander John Richards. She served as a receiving or prison ship at Malta where she was broken up in 1802.

    Rob.

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    And while sailed back to Mahon under the command of lieutenant Thomas Cochrane she was caught in a storm. While many of the crew were ill Thomas and his brother Archibald replaced the crew going aloft.

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    Nice little addition.
    Thanks Jonas.
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    Just now I noticed some of the pictures I listed for HMS Britannia (1762) were actually of the much later (and bigger) HMS Britannia (1820) of 120 guns, so I deleted them from the list.
    Pity, she's such a gorgeous vessel!





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    Afraid I can't see your attachments Richard.
    rob.

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    Thanks, now it should work.

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