What's on your workbench for April.
Good Morning to everyone, I've been waiting a long time to post something here and finally I've done something vaguely Sails related.
Pirates
More Pirates
Yet More Pirates
And the Revenue Men
Take care out there it's a dangerous world, especially with my Pirates on the loose.
Mine isn't so much pirate-y, more Sci-Fi-y.
No-one expects a ship full of dwarves.
Oak & Iron ships
Ok I started working on my Oak & Iron ships. Here is my workbench. Notice I am also working on Black Seas ships. I have a SoG Leander in the shot for scale comparison. The completeed O&I ship next to it is a fluyt, a Dutch merchant design popular in the 17th century. They were known for their cargo capacity and steady if slow sailing ability as well as their rounded stern.
It still is a bit of a cartoonish version of a fluyt.
Yes well I have noted that they look more like game pieces than scale models. Looking at it another way they are representational of period paintings which were not all as precise as a van de Velde. Frankly the sails are modeled a bit better than the SoG models because they have some animation to them as you can see in the sloop model. Once I have finished one of the larger warships - 4th rate I will post that because the hull is quite nice. I don't think they are quite 1/600 scale though, closer to 1/900.Originally Posted by TexaS
This one is an Indiaman but notice the proportions of the hull are much different than 18th-19th century designs. This is reflected in the models.
As I mentioned earlier Eric, I like them simply because of this early painting comnnection.
That is what the modern punter who has only seen those depictions has come to expect in these early ships.
I somehow missed your Pirates John, but they also look the part for a swashbuckling adventure.
All taken they make a refreshing change.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
The inspiration model of Washington on display at the National Museum of the US Navy
My version of the 11 gun oar galley Washington
History & more photos at https://volsminiatures.blogspot.com/...ngton.html?m=1
Not only a very fine little model Vol but also an interesting biographical note on your Blog. Would you consider posting it here to augment your picture. I would have copied it onto your post but do not wish to steal your thunder.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Inspired by Captain Bligh's magnificent coastal scenery I thought I would try my hand at something similar, I read his How To and because I was using the materials I had to hand due to the lock down and general tightness on the purse strings I experienced a number of issues. Some of these I knew I would have but ignored them until they bit me and some came about through sheer incompetence. I am thinking I might do a How Not To post so that anyone else doing this might be able to avoid the problems I encountered, but still get some scenery for very little cost, for me it was zero because I already had some filler, acrylic caulk PVA glue and polystyrene packaging.
This is what they ended up looking like.
Great work John, and I especially like the stacks. Not something that I had ever considered.
Yes please! A How not to would break new ground for us. if you do one try to keep it all to one post by saving and then editing in new sections as you go. That makes it much easier to add it to the How to thread rather than having to go through a lot of inserted comments and clean them out.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
The lateen rigged row galley was built by soldiers on Lake Champlain at Skenesboro, New York in the autumn of 1776. On October 6 Washington joined the small fleet put together and commanded by Brigadier General Benedict Arnold. Washington was commanded by Arnold's second in command, Brigadier General David Waterbury. She was anchored with the other small vessels in the lee of Valcour Island to await the expected British move.
Captain Thomas Pringle, of the Royal Navy, led a 25 ship fleet past Valcour Island on October 11. Pringle sighted the American fleet when he passed the island and attacked from leeward. In the ensuing action Washington suffered the most damage of any vessel in Arnold's fleet.
Arnold regrouped his shattered fleet and slipped past the British on October 12 with muffled oars in a desperate attempt at escape. However the British caught up the following day at Split Rock near Crown Point.
Arnold managed to beech and destroy four of the galleys and his own flagship, Congress, while most of the remaining ships escaped upriver. Only Washington, at the rear of the van, was captured by the enemy. According to Arnold, she struck her colors after receiving a couple of broadsides.
Washington was eventually taken into Royal service, retaining her name. She was re-rigged as a brig. Her fate is unknown.
Length 72' 4"; Breadth 19' 7"; draft of 6' 2"; displacement 123 long tons; Crew 80
Armament: 2 x 18 pounder long guns, 2 x 12 pounder long guns, 2 x 9 pounders, 4 x 4 pounders, 1 x 2 pounder, 8 x swivel guns
Information is from https://www.revwartalk.com/uss-washi...rigged-galley/
Thank you sir. A true Officer and a gentleman.
Bligh.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
John,
Can I ask what How To you were using and where it could be found?
Much appreciated,
James
Hi James this should link you to the one I used.
https://www.sailsofglory.org/showthr...on-in-sequence
If you are thiinking of doing something like this and you don't have the costal terrain pack I would strongly suggest you look at some pictures of it. I had roughed out some designs of my own but when I looked at how they had done the pack I realised how versatile they had made the design. If you can't find anything I have some pictures I could post, but I think the good ones actually came from the Aries site itself.
You will probably see what I mean when you look at Captain Blighs post.
Thanks John for the links and the advice. I have the coastal battery, but not the coastal terrain set. I'll be getting a copy!
Rob, super informative article. I'll see what supplies I can scrounge up, now that my gaming area is coming online at the new place.
One thing I did not mention in that "How to" Jim was that I made a little template out of a plastic offcut to conform to the ends of the section of the first piece of the coast. Then ensured that each end or joining piece had the same contour. Thus you can transpose every piece in any order you wish to and still get a matching flow to your landscape.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
I never get tired of looking at that "How To" post Rob! That template is a pretty important piece of information
It does give you multi options for your layout. The only one I could not fit to the system was my Harbour, which would have looked odd if it had just thinned down to the width of the Ares coastal boardc so I made an interim piece of scenery to join them in just for that one item.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
I have completed an order for Oak & Iron game. I share you some photos but I hope to take better photos tomorrow with better light.
Masts, sails are scratchbuilt. Ratlines are from a poland seller and flags are from Minairons miniatures.
Very nice Julian! What scale are these? The masts look good. What did you use for them? And the round fighting tops look really good too. What did you use to make them? And what do you use for sail material, they look great! The paint schemes are excellent as always with your work.
Job matters aside, I've started painting my empire war wagon from old Warhammer. First, I have painted the crew, now I have to finish the horses and the wagon.
Hahah, not very Nautical, but I love them!
Thank you Vol!Very nice Julian! What scale are these? The masts look good. What did you use for them? And the round fighting tops look really good too. What did you use to make them? And what do you use for sail material, they look great! The paint schemes are excellent as always with your work.
For masts I use different rods of steel and brass, for the top of the masts I use sewing pin.
For sails I use a seet of thin brass.
By the way, the scale is 1/600 and the fighting tops are 3D resing, I did a silicone mould and after I did copies in resin.
thanks
You were able to shape the brass perfectly my friend!Thank you Vol!
For masts I use different rods of steel and brass, for the top of the masts I use sewing pin.
For sails I use a seet of thin brass.
Scissors to cut metal, cutter and a roller to smooth wrinkles
They certainly look like I would expect an early period ship Julián.I have completed an order for Oak & Iron game. I share you some photos but I hope to take better photos tomorrow with better light.
Masts, sails are scratchbuilt. Ratlines are from a poland seller and flags are from Minairons miniatures.
Superb work as usual my friend.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Due to the virus situation my workbench won't have this in place until the end of the month. Perhaps not until May, but it will a fun change of pace from the more serious modeling pastime. The ship converts to an island base or visa versa.
"It's not the towering sails, but the unseen wind that moves a ship."
–English Proverb
Yes, you are right. There are a guy who is doing 3D models to print
Anglo-dutch wars. I think this models are so pretty and when I have some time I would like to do a fleet of this ships.
Wow! Do you have more information on these? What scale, and availability in the US?Yes, you are right. There are a guy who is doing 3D models to print
Anglo-dutch wars. I think this models are so pretty and when I have some time I would like to do a fleet of this ships.
I was just going to post these photos from Facebook. Right now the files are being sold off Wargaming3D. Henry Turner (the creator) hopes to start selling on his own at some point, but that's in the future. Here's his statement on Facebook,
The Wargaming 3D website is here: https://www.wargaming3d.com/I'd wanted to buy some resin printers before the end of April and get set up selling models online through my own store, but the Corona epidemic's got me stuck out in Russia so any plans like that are on hold :(
For the timebeing I just sell the digital files on Wargaming3D for anyone who wants to print them themselves. But the technical issues the site's currently experiencing means only one of the six 17th century ships is actually on sale there atm.
"It's not the towering sails, but the unseen wind that moves a ship."
–English Proverb
I would love to do a Dutch Fleet but just dare not get into yet another scale with all its necessary ancillary accoutrements and appendages.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Not to tempt you, but to show how excellent the detail can be now with high end 3D printers. Here are some additional photos that were posted.
"It's not the towering sails, but the unseen wind that moves a ship."
–English Proverb
And I knew Henry back when he was asking me for advice about scratchbuilding ships! Look at him now!
Very impressive on both counts gentlemen. Did he ever reimburse you for your expertise Vol?
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Nice projects and results, gentlemen.
Yes of course. I add the link where you can buy the files: https://www.wargaming3d.com/vendor/h...BObys9eIp7aXxM
Before buying make sure you have someone who can print the files to you on a resin 3D printer.
I add a photo I took weeks ago where you can see the quality of a resin printer.
Thanks Julián very instructive and useful as usual.
Can anyone with expertise in this form of printing tell me if these models could be readily reduced to 1000 scale, and if so would the definition still be good?
Rob.
Last edited by Bligh; 04-17-2020 at 06:01.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Just this instant arrived at Chez Bligh and will prove most useful for future constructs, especially in conjunction with some of Julián's superb forts. Now a whole fortified town and fort in the Verban style can be reproduced in any size.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
As I understand it, it could, but you risk losing many details such as the guns on the sides. Certain details would have to be resized in order to be printed in 1/1000 scale.
Looks good. Are they textured or are they smooth?Just this instant arrived at Chez Bligh and will prove most useful for future constructs, especially in conjunction with some of Julián's superb forts. Now a whole fortified town and fort in the Verban style can be reproduced in any size.
Rob.
What I'd describe as a very light pebble dash effect. Very good for simulating the rough sandstone or Terracotta that I like to use.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Not doing big things
Some trees for the coast areas
Today a little cannon . May be a hugest cannon for 1/1000 , or big one for 1/700
Last edited by Ferrante; 04-20-2020 at 15:35.
I well remember turning down several of those for my 25mm AWI troops when we did the battle of Long Island and we needed some siege guns. i will see if I can find them.
Your guns look very well made Ferrante.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Just found this one!
I will keep looking but am not sure if I still have the others.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Nice cannon Rob. And it looks aged I like the effect . I really like that kind of cannons . But I haven’t seen some similar for 1/1000 made from brass .
Today I received my new fortress kit
Glad you like my cannon Ferrante. It looks aged because it is. Must have been in my spares box for about 30 years.
The discolouration is from the flux I used when silver soldering in the trunnions. After some years it goes like that if not cleaned off completely.
However I do have a gun bluing paste which I accidentally found when used on brass sends it aged rather than the steel blue as on rifle barrels for which it is really intended.
Rob.
Last edited by Bligh; 04-22-2020 at 16:16.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Wow Rob, you turned that? Amazing! Have you made a mold? You could sell those.
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