HMS Doris!

[Vagabond]

In my efforts to read everything on the site is a couple of days I came across a blog by a certain Bligh and some of his posts revolved around the historical data surrounding the actual SoG ships which is fascinating because I started to put this together myself. He's done a much better job than I have.

Anyway one of these posts is about HMS Doris a Phoebe Class Frigate but I can't find anything related to SoG about the Frigate or the class. I wondered if anyone can enlighten me? I've always had a fascination for the name Doris for reasons that I can't go into, but it would be amazing to have a Frigate named Doris on my gaming table.

Any thoughts?

[Dobbs]

Perhaps the admiral was using a tactic that I have embraced, and was just using the mini to represent an 18 pdr frigate?

Now that you have drawn my attention to her, pursuing this Doris has my interest. It seems that maybe slower, but with a higher veer than a Hebe class frigate?

[Cochrane]

I have never heard of an HMS Doris. Shall have to look into it further!

[flash]

In my efforts to read everything on the site is a couple of days I came across a blog by a certain Bligh and some of his posts revolved around the historical data surrounding the actual SoG ships which is fascinating because I started to put this together myself. He's done a much better job than I have.
Anyway one of these posts is about HMS Doris a Phoebe Class Frigate but I can't find anything related to SoG about the Frigate or the class. I wondered if anyone can enlighten me? I've always had a fascination for the name Doris for reasons that I can't go into, but it would be amazing to have a Frigate named Doris on my gaming table.
Any thoughts?

Well, it did exist at least, John, though an initial search didn't bring it to the fore. Seems to have had an interesting career until she was lost in 1805.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Doris_(1795)

[Dobbs]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Doris_(1808)

Here's another one. The Perseverance class was noted as being slower but more agile than other 18 pdr frigates. Apparently it was cheaper to build, which kept the Admiralty's interest.

[Diamondback]

Pity we're gonna lose this thread. Perseverance is fairly close to an Amazon, so that "slower but better turning" would be an excellent note for a reprint.

[flash]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Doris_(1808)

Here's another one. The Perseverance class was noted as being slower but more agile than other 18 pdr frigates. Apparently it was cheaper to build, which kept the Admiralty's interest.

Well that's ideal for a more exotic setting than the 'Ditch'

[Vagabond]

https://www.sailsofglory.org/entry.p...ris-(-Frigate)

This is the Admirals original post, it's in a series that as far as I can tell is about ships or sister ships that are available from Ares. I guess my original thought was, who was the sister ship, I can't find any reference to Doris or Phoebe Class frigates in the SoG family.

Having said that I'm still rushing through the site looking and saving and the Admiral has put some of the most amazing details on here, hats off to him.

[Diamondback]

https://www.sailsofglory.org/entry.p...ris-(-Frigate)

This is the Admirals original post, it's in a series that as far as I can tell is about ships or sister ships that are available from Ares. I guess my original thought was, who was the sister ship, I can't find any reference to Doris or Phoebe Class frigates in the SoG family.

Having said that I'm still rushing through the site looking and saving and the Admiral has put some of the most amazing details on here, hats off to him.

When we were first doing initial research before I had my copies of BWAS, there wasn't anything about the Phoebes on Wikipedia to start from. :(

[Dobbs]

There's nothing official from Ares about Phoebe class frigates. I'd say our admiral was just giving us more 18 pounder frigates to choose from. Just a simple matter of making up the ship cards.

[Diamondback]

There's a great deal that will never be official from Ares... the closest thin you'll see to it is my "Stretching Sculpts" series of threads once we get things moved over to the new site.

[Vagabond]

There's a great deal that will never be official from Ares... the closest thin you'll see to it is my "Stretching Sculpts" series of threads once we get things moved over to the new site.

I found 3 of your stretched threads yesterday, I didn't really understand them but I only gave them a cursory glance before copying, pasting into Word and saving 2 of them to read at a later date. It's that sort of detailed thinking and information that I'm worried will be lost.
Similarly the Admiral has posted some detailed info about battles and especially the ships Captains. again it's a quick rummage through the thread, does it look interesting, then copy and save for later. I did pause at Admiral Keppel and read his bio. About 5 miles from where I used to live is Keppel's Column on the Earl of Wentworths estate, I knew Keppel was court martialled but I thought he was guilty and the column was a commemoration of his death. I know better now.

Anyway back to copying and pasting.
Cheers

[Diamondback]

The nickel summary on Stretching is "what can these models reasonably pass for, even if it means reworking the stats?" :) Goal was an early start at sorting out what we can do with what we already have vs what *really* needed to be done as a new sculpt.

[Vagabond]

The nickel summary on Stretching is "what can these models reasonably pass for, even if it means reworking the stats?" :) Goal was an early start at sorting out what we can do with what we already have vs what *really* needed to be done as a new sculpt.

That was what caught my interest, I've a notion to repaint and possibly re-rig my ships and thought that as I did it I'd rename them as a new ship but ideally of the same class or if that's not possible as something that looks and feels the same. I've been thinking about this for 4 years now and so far painted 1 ship, but when I do get cracking I'll have all the information I need for the re-naming.
Cheers and thanks for the work you put into this.

[flash]

That was what caught my interest, I've a notion to repaint and possibly re-rig my ships and thought that as I did it I'd rename them as a new ship but ideally of the same class or if that's not possible as something that looks and feels the same...

This is the fascinating side of the game to me, John. I have no idea about Sails whatsoever, how many actual models there are & what they represent etc, but I can see how the modellers out there would want to utilise what's available to make the most of their fleets, sister ships and captures.
I saw on the Ares site that they helpfully suggested models to sub in for the kickstarter exclusives. You've likely already smoked them out but here they are:
Replace:
La Concorde 1777/Junon 1778 with Hermione 1779/L'Inconstante 1786;
Fougueux 1785/Redoutable 1791 with Commerce de Bordeaux 1785/Duguay-Trouin 1788;
HMS Juno 1780/HMS Castor 1785 with HMS Cleopatra 1779/HMS Iphigenia 1780;
HMS Bellerophon 1786/HMS Defiance 1783 with HMS Bellona 1760/HMS Goliath 1781.
https://www.aresgames.eu/games/sails...ter-exclusives

[Diamondback]

That was what caught my interest, I've a notion to repaint and possibly re-rig my ships and thought that as I did it I'd rename them as a new ship but ideally of the same class or if that's not possible as something that looks and feels the same. I've been thinking about this for 4 years now and so far painted 1 ship, but when I do get cracking I'll have all the information I need for the re-naming.
Cheers and thanks for the work you put into this.

A little manufacturing-side background here: Printing new paper and applying new paint is cheap, new tool-and-die steel for sculpt rework is expensive. (Already was even BEFORE they Broke The World with COVID, and 2020 pales in comparison to now.) So the SS philosophy was to find every ship we could rerelease the existing sculpts as without sending me into an apoplectic fit as if I were jointly possessed by the ghosts of Jonathan Quayle Higgins III and Gunnery Sergeant Hartmann.

[Dobbs]

Has there been any motion on the 3d printing in color for ships like Wings of Glory?

[Vagabond]

This is the fascinating side of the game to me, John. I have no idea about Sails whatsoever, how many actual models there are & what they represent etc, but I can see how the modellers out there would want to utilise what's available to make the most of their fleets, sister ships and captures.
I saw on the Ares site that they helpfully suggested models to sub in for the kickstarter exclusives. You've likely already smoked them out but here they are:
Replace:
La Concorde 1777/Junon 1778 with Hermione 1779/L'Inconstante 1786;
Fougueux 1785/Redoutable 1791 with Commerce de Bordeaux 1785/Duguay-Trouin 1788;
HMS Juno 1780/HMS Castor 1785 with HMS Cleopatra 1779/HMS Iphigenia 1780;
HMS Bellerophon 1786/HMS Defiance 1783 with HMS Bellona 1760/HMS Goliath 1781.
https://www.aresgames.eu/games/sails...ter-exclusives

Thanks Dave, I've got these on my radar. for me the difference between ships and planes is that with the planes it's the pilots that had the history and the planes were effectivly disposable. I know there were a few famous planes, Black Prince etc but they were transitory. With the ship's its they who are the stars, they have the history.
In terms of numbers there were 4 ships in the starter set, 4 in the kick starter, 4 waves of 12 ships and 2 special packs. 58 shios in total. I only ever intended having 6 ships a side, 4 ships of the line and 2 frigates, British and French. Somehow that has expanded to cover all the ships released except the kick starter and the Spanish. I also ended up with some duplicates and even 2 Spanish ships. They were destined to become wrecks but i can't bring myself to destroy perfectly good models.
Now I'm thinking that a few more Spanish ships might be a nice idea but some of them are noticeably out of scale, so I'm not sure.
Anyway thanks for checking on alternatives for me, much appreciated.
Cheers

[flash]

... I only ever intended having 6 ships a side, 4 ships of the line and 2 frigates, British and French. Somehow that has expanded to cover all the ships released except the kick starter and the Spanish. I also ended up with some duplicates and even 2 Spanish ships. They were destined to become wrecks but i can't bring myself to destroy perfectly good models...

There is an inevitability about that tale, John, duplicates must lend themselves to captures, or, recreations, or, pirates, or, anything but wreckage !

[Bligh]

A few of my ships have been used as sources for parts and the hulls used as wrecks, ships on fire as well.

Rob.