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    As I've bought Simon's San Joaquin I'm updating my table:

    Fulgencio Nepomuceno Joaquín Ildefonso Montañés Nicolás Meregildos Purísima Concepción
    New paint scheme
    San Leandro

    Old paint scheme
    Santo Domingo
    New paint scheme
    San Juan Nepomuceno *
    San Francisco de Asis *
    San Agustin

    Old paint scheme
    San Pablo *
    San Isidro *
    San Antonio *
    New paint scheme
    San Justo
    New paint scheme
    San Ildefonso *


    Old paint scheme
    San Francisco de Paula
    Infante don Pelayo
    Conquistador
    Soberano
    New paint scheme
    Montañés *
    Monarca *
    Argonauta *
    Neptuno *
    Old paint scheme
    San Nicolás de Bari *
    Fenix
    New paint scheme
    Santa Ana
    Principe de Asturias
    Real Carlos

    Old paint scheme
    Mejicano
    Salvador del Mundo
    Conde de Regla
    New paint scheme
    Purísima Concepción

    Old paint scheme
    San José
    * Painted hull, Italic Best fit not actually member of class

    Questionable: San Antonio. Missing: Rayo.
    Hopfully I will soon be able to add Bahama too.

    Perhaps DB could answer this: San Pedro Apóstol class, San Pablo, how close would she be to a San Joaquín? There's some obusiers and the like differences, but I'm just thinking out loud without looking through everything I have yet.
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    Working on my Swedish frigates again.

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    As I’m printing a new version of sails I have found to look better I will try them and see how it turns out, I think I’m back in Sails now. I will print the San Joaquin too and then there’s even fewer Spanish ships missing.

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    Hopefully I can get back onto this work myself next week. This week is already spoken for with visiting family.
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    I’ve started painting an Ildefonso too.

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    I’m also cooking up a test batch of the best masts and sails I‘ve seem for 3D printing. It’s Simon Mann’s sails in 1:700 printed in 1:1000. It’s the only ones I’ve found that have an acceptable shape of the sails. There’s no details but considering how sails are constructed I think they are the only ones that follow the laws of physics.

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    Here they are joined by some of Henry’s lateen sails for the mizzen.
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    I would be interested to see the new sails when prunted.
    I have bought them myself but not set up the printer as yet.
    What I have found using the sails already published is they are by far smaller than the Ares masts and sails, the Ares dwarf the masts I currently have.
    I have used a sleeve to raise the masts to a similar height but now the ratlines previously used are not near big enough and the fighting tops are much higher.
    I will try toget a pic to show my current work. But as is I dont like the masts and am loathe to cut down the masts on my ares Spanish ships, for the moment at least

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    I am also back pedaling on the Spanish until I see what the finished Swedish FFrigates look like.
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    These sails require the lower masts to be made from wire and therefore as long as you want them.

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    I have one ship using this method but looks strange in comparison.
    I will see how they look with the ratlines from the ratline maker once I get some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexaS View Post
    Perhaps DB could answer this: San Pedro Apóstol class, San Pablo, how close would she be to a San Joaquín? There's some obusiers and the like differences, but I'm just thinking out loud without looking through everything I have yet.
    Hesitant to say definitively without positively-identified drawings, my friend, especially decent-sized ones. The ones I guessed to be San Pedro Apostol and San Francisco de Paula are pretty close to identical in profile to each other, but much deeper raking in the gallery than Nepomuceno or Montanes.
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    Thank you DB!

    After scaling Simon’s sails a bit I now have this:

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    They are transparent because that was the tough resin they had when I bought resin.

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    Might add some "translucency" effects on the sails once the paint's on too.
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    They look very good to me. How easy is the attatchment point for the lower mast?

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    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Just slip it in.

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    DB: I wish that would work, but I think the paint will be to opaque.

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    That is just the ticket Jonas. What diameter rod do you suggest?
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    Those are some nice looking sails. How easy is it to cut the plastic with a knife? To my eye, the spanker could use a shorter gaff boom and a more sloping curve to the leech of the sail.

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    Rob, I use 1mm with the masts scaled at about 70%. They are 1:700. I have used 1st rate sails scaled differently in Z and Y to make the sizes fit for 3rd rates and Sails of Glory. I also mirrored the spanker and jibs to be the same way as Sails of Glory.

    It’s resin and it’s better to cut it before you cure it. I guess it could crack if you cut it after. This is also “tough”, so I’m not sure how tough it is. When cutting off the supports I found it to be tougher.

    I agree about the angle and tried to resize it an an angle but the model keeps it’s own coordinate system but tilted.

    I’ve been thinking about us suggesting some improvements to Simon and perhaps he could sell an improved version.

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    Dobbs: Like this?

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    Those small-pin mounts lend themselves to an idea... if there were some way to mount an alignment tab and you were going un-rigged, you could actually remove masts to indicate that kind of hits.

    Makes me wish I could get Her Hoarderness to back off enough that I could get ROOM to set up a 3d printer... as it is, just keeping her garbage policed up every week is an undertaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexaS View Post
    Dobbs: Like this?

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    That's the ticket, Jonas! Now, for bonus points, can you make the gaff boom at a steeper angle?

    I do like that the square sails have their yards in the right place, tucked under the tops and cross trees.

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    That's what I tried with rotating and then scaling in a single direction. I would need to go into sculpting to be able to do that. I probably can, but I would have to learn how to do use the modern software.

    As an example: To mirror the spanker and jibs I first used Lychee Slicer to do this. Then they disappeared when printed. I have no idea of what happened. Then I used Blender to do it instead. Blender is an advanced design software that many use to make the models from the start. I then had to look at a few youtube videos just to understand the different mirror tools that are available. I'm guessing that one of the mirror tools is used by our designers to simultaneous create a symmetric ship and just having to do it once. It's quite complicated.

    This is why I would prefer a cooperation with Simon Mann. I have slimmed the jibs to adapt it to my tastes. I think I may have over done it, but... well... They are easier to add in bigger numbers to a build plate than the square sails. They are six fore, main, and mizzen masts for each print. I have eight spankers, six lateen sails, eight a little bigger, seven mid sized, six smaller and another six with a little difference fore staysails. I can't get another set of masts unless I would remove most of the other sails...

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    I commend your efforts, Jonas. I absolutely agree with your taste in jibs. I wish you luck getting one of the designing wizards onboard. It would be great to have access to attractive masts and sails.

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    A test just to see how it looks:

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    Dobbs, It’s good to hear that you like the cut of my jib.

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    Now they do look good and far superior to the masts and sails I have.
    Perchance do you have the file saved for these ammendments.

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    I do. I could write the scales I’ve used for each sail, but as the files are something like $2 I don’t think I can share the file itself.

    I’m not at home right now, but from memory: UPDATED

    Foresail: width 62% depth 70% height 70%
    Mainsail: width 62% depth 70% height 75%
    Mizzen: width 74% depth 70% height 75%
    Spanker: width 75% depth 75% height 78%, Rotated X:90 Y:0 Z:90
    Fore staysails: depth 70% width 50% height 70%, depth 70% width 60% height 75%, depth 70% width 60% height 85%, All rotated X:0 Y: 0, Z:90
    The mizzen lateen are Henry's from his paid set. They are: depth 60% width 70% height 70% and depth 60% width 70% height 70%

    Explanation for Lyshee Slicer:
    width is X (red), depth is Y (green) and height is Z (blue)

    I’ll update when I get home.

    I had this picture of the arrangement though:

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    I have bought the sail file from Henry, it was the dimensions I really needed, I am hoping to get my printer set up either this or next weekend and it was the new masts and sails I was going to make a priority.
    I would not ask you to compromise yourself so thanks for the dimensions and would appreciate you updating if required.

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    Can the mast length be made longer on the original masts that come seperate ?
    Sorry for these questions but its all new for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    That is just the ticket Jonas. What diameter rod do you suggest?
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    Hi Rob, for the masts Simon uses 18 Gauge Thick Green Floristry Cut Wire.
    From Amazon 18 Gauge Thick Green Floristry Cut Wire 10" Lengths 250g Pack got approx 100 lengths for under a fiver post free

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    Yep got those, plus the ones from Henry and the new textured ones from Henry

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    The sails used for the masts are "1st-2nd-rate" as they are much better sculpted than the 3rd-rate. I have used the jib and spanker from the 3rd-rate. I haven't used the bowsprit as I don't really like how they are holding on to each other. The mizzen lateen are Henry's from his newest set.

    My scaling is:

    Foresail: width 62% depth 70% height 70%
    Mainsail: width 62% depth 70% height 75%
    Mizzen: width 74% depth 70% height 75%
    Spanker: width 75% depth 75% height 78%, Rotated X:90 Y:0 Z:90
    Fore staysails: depth 70% width 50% height 70%, depth 70% width 60% height 75%, depth 70% width 60% height 85%, All rotated X:0 Y: 0, Z:90
    Mizzen lateen: depth 60% width 70% height 70% and depth 60% width 70% height 70%

    Explanation for Lyshee Slicer:
    depth is X (red), depth is Y (green) and height is Z (blue)

    For the fore staysails this means that depth is actually the width of the sail as they are rotated 90 degrees to fit better on the plate compared to how the model was oriented. The coordinate system is probably oriented along the ship and not the sail itself. The spanker was turned in two ways to align them with the other sails and to be able to better print the mounts to the mast.

    I have scaled the sails to be as close to original Sails of Glory sails and it looks good to my eye.

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    First ship has masts I tried to paint without base coat to get the transparency as good as possible, but it wasn’t very good. I’ll probably redo them.

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    Transparency wasn’t good and the paint peels easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Those small-pin mounts lend themselves to an idea... if there were some way to mount an alignment tab and you were going un-rigged, you could actually remove masts to indicate that kind of hits.

    Makes me wish I could get Her Hoarderness to back off enough that I could get ROOM to set up a 3d printer... as it is, just keeping her garbage policed up every week is an undertaking.
    I tried this on one of my ships DB and the problem is that all the sections swing out of alignment if you catch them when moving the ship. Looks as if the Admiral has just died!
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    Thanks for all that information Jonas. I can clearly see that all my expensive buying Sails ships just to get the sails off them could be over.
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    Yes. Simon’s sails are very good. With a few corrections they would be perfect.

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    San Ildefonso, four Montañes and four San Juan Nepomuceno.

    Next up, I’ll paint them and find out how I’ll do the bowsprit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    I tried this on one of my ships DB and the problem is that all the sections swing out of alignment if you catch them when moving the ship. Looks as if the Admiral has just died!
    Rob.
    True, I was thinking of the bottom section being less a pure pin than a pin with a blade on one side, like how early keys used to be made with a round shaft and a flat section to turn the tumblers.
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    That would certainly work DB. I am now thinking on how to arrange a deck hole to accomadate that arrangement. It would be easy if you could just broach the hole with a hot lower bottom section to form the slot.

    May have to try that one on one of my spare hulls. Could not do too much damage could it.

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    I made my own bowsprit. I’m going to print it and see if it works.

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    First thing I actually sculpted to print.

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    Looks fine to me sir!
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    I'd buy a fleet worth...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    That would certainly work DB. I am now thinking on how to arrange a deck hole to accomadate that arrangement. It would be easy if you could just broach the hole with a hot lower bottom section to form the slot.

    May have to try that one on one of my spare hulls. Could not do too much damage could it.

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    Back in the day, Wizkids Pirates used a slot in the deckplates on their credit-card-stock models... maybe a slit in the deck with a spade under the mast would work. You'd lose some detail though.
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    Working on ideas DB.
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    Since it’s so thin I should cure it a bit before removing the supports. Now it warps when curing. You can’t put it down in any way.

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    Looking very smart Jonas. setting up bowsprits and sails so that the glue is strong enough to hold has been my bête noire for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexaS View Post
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    Since it’s so thin I should cure it a bit before removing the supports. Now it warps when curing. You can’t put it down in any way.
    Looking very sharp!

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    My shoals and Mud Island are moving ahead at a glacial pace.

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    The main reasons for the slow modeling progress are finishing our new dinghy and preparing Grace for another voyage south. Roughly 5 weeks until Grace goes in the water and the loading begins (including a substantial squadron of SoG ships).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexaS View Post
    Thank you DB!

    After scaling Simon’s sails a bit I now have this:

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    They are transparent because that was the tough resin they had when I bought resin.
    These would work well for a "Ghost" ship as is!

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    Indeed Vol. With a hull in the same medium we could have the Flying Dutchman. That would put the wind up the sails of all these piretical coves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbs View Post




    The main reasons for the slow modeling progress are finishing our new dinghy and preparing Grace for another voyage south. Roughly 5 weeks until Grace goes in the water and the loading begins (including a substantial squadron of SoG ships).
    I am looking forward with interest to following your next voyage Dobbs.
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