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    Question HMS Unite 1796 (Surprise?)

    I'm a little confused about the HMS Concorde 1783/HMS Unite 1796 (SGN101A) ship pack.

    Near as I can tell, the HMS Unite 1796 should actually be the HMS Surprise. Granted, the ship was originally named Unite but was renamed Surprise after her capture.
    I can't understand why Ares would label her as HMS Unite when there's already the Unite' (alternate of Courageuse) that comes with the base set.
    What extra confuses me, is why they wouldn't call her Surprise given the number of Aubrey & Maturin fans that play this game.

    Or am I completely wrong? I'm a little biased, as I'm currently reading book 20 of the A&M series.

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    If I may express further confusion, if I'm reading Wikipedia right, the French seemed to have two different Frigates named Unite' in service at the same time.
    The Gracieuse (32-gun Charmante-class frigate), was launched in 1787 and was later renamed Unite' in 1793 before the British captured her in 1796 and put her in service as HMS Unite.
    Meanwhile the French Unite' Class Corvette (later rerated to frigate) Unite' was launched in 1794 before also being captured by the British in 1796 and put into service as HMS Surprise.

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    *waves hand* One of Ares' historical consultants here, with some inside-baseball. This ship is the former Gracieuse; the corvette would be smaller and weaker, somewhere between a 1773 Amazon and a Swan. When we put the "potential names" list together for the Concordes back in the Dev stage, we started with the Charmantes to expand the pool because the two classes' designers were brothers, whose father was also a designer, so in tandem with the picayune detail of French Marine Ministry specs that designers were required to meet we figured that "family talk over the years" and mutual influence would mean the two designs being very similar if not indistinguishable. One other detail of note is that the French favored two-masted brig rig for their corvettes, rather than the three-masted ship-rig of their British counterparts.

    The Aubrey-Maturin 'Surprise' is a Ship That Never Was, though patterned after a combination of features from several historical ships. I've toyed with the idea of suggesting to Ares that once sculpts allow we consider a pair of limited-edition Aubrey-Maturin and Hornblower special box sets, if they can get through the licensing process. We need quite a bit more than we have before that becomes an option though.
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    Ok, so the HMS Unite (alternate of HMS Concorde) and Unite 1787 (alternate of Courageuse) represent the same ship at two different points in her career, correct?

    As for Surprise, while I know that the Surprise of the A&M novels is a fictional ship, I was under the impression that it was based on the historical Surprise which seems to match it's description fairly well, but it's possible that the description in the Wikipedia article may have unintentionally been conflated with O'Brian's Surprise.

    Anyway, thanks for giving me some Ares insight into this conundrum.

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    Correct. We treat a change in flag as a "new ship" for modeling purposes, since the new management frequently liked to change armaments in keeping with their own practices.

    This might help: https://www.ctbasses.com/misc/BruceT....html#Surprise
    https://threedecks.org/index.php?dis...w_ship&id=6983
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    What we need is a 14 gun brig and a 32 gun Xebec. In the same box. Would make everything better.

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    Unlikely, Michael; I've been trying to get Ares to do a stripped-down WGF-style Duel Pack since before it first streeted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scourge View Post
    What we need is a 14 gun brig and a 32 gun Xebec. In the same box. Would make everything better.
    Something like these perhaps? I made them for another sailing game I was working on. The Brig isn't my design, it's a model I printed from the Fire and Sails Master and Commander model set, but I did design the Xebec.
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    Another problem is Ares has a hard "floor" of LD/waterline length no less than 28mm on the model. I have a plan to sneak USS Enterprise and her near-sister schooners into the catalog; the problem is as-built they're all too short so we'd have to "fake it" with the post-1803(?) rebuild Enterprise hull that was stretched above that limit.
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    They certainly look the part Jason.
    With the Xebec in mind you might enjoy my Solo campaign"An affair in Morocco." which you can find here.

    https://sailsofglory.org/forumdispla...Action-Reports

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    With the Xebec in mind you might enjoy my Solo campaign"An affair in Morocco." which you can find here.
    Thanks, I'll give that a try! I'm reprinting my Xebec at 62% size to bring it down to SoG's scale. If it comes out alright I'll certainly use it for this.

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    I remember it well Jonas.
    I still find it a humdinger of a model!
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    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    You definitively should. You made the same conversion yourself. At least for the Chilean navy.

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    This is very true Jonas.
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    I seem to remember seeing a xebec available on the Wargaming3d site if anyone interested

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    I have that one, if it's Henry's you're talking about. It's quite a bit smaller than a 32, but it's nice. 10 guns a side and four forward mounted. I have a few printed. I printed six of them before I realized that I really should have printed them with a few percent scale difference between all of them to make them a little more individual. Now I only printed the seventh one a little bigger to have as a "flagship" of sorts.

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    Henry has released a small felucca for free here:
    https://www.wargaming3d.com/product/felucca/

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