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    Current status of my Turner fleet with Vessel Visual Identification System color codes... do note, I would much appreciate suggestions for historically believable filling in the blanks (marked in italic). Goal here is to have a unique way to ID each ship from above or beside; I'm thinking to tie these to ship mats by keeping the ship's card in a sleeve with a colored stripe matching the galleries at one end and the beakhead at the other.

    Question... is the reported red Victory at Ushant a variation worth pursuing with its virtually nonexistent documentation, or should I go back to the "classic" 1765 as-launched varnished wood and Prussian blue like Canada?

    Rate Class Ship Gallery Side Markings Beakhead
    1 - 112 Purisima Concepcion ARS Purisima Concepcion Silver Black hull
    Yellow UD-MD
    Yellow toprail
    [Primer black] bulwark
    Deck tan top
    White rails
    1 - 112 Purisima Concepcion ARS San Jose Gold Yellow hull
    Black interdeck strakes and anchor wedge
    Black toprail
    [Primer black] bulwark
    [Primer black] top
    Gold rails
    1 - 112 Purisima Concepcion HMS San Josef Golden yellow Babypuke yellow hull
    Black interdeck strakes
    Black toprail
    [Primer black] bulwark
    [Primer black] top
    Golden yellow rails
    1 - 100 as-built Victory
    HOLD pending references
    HMS Victory Gold Red hull
    N.D.
    [Primer black] bulwark
    [Primer black] top
    Gold rails
    3 - 74 Canada HMS Canada Gold Ochre Brown hull
    Prussian Blue toprail, QD and lower strake
    Green poop bulwark
    Prussian Blue bulwark
    Green top
    Green rails
    3 - 74 Canada HMS Captain Golden yellow
    Black finial
    Black hull
    Babypuke ochre UD & LD bands
    Blue bulwark
    Blue top
    Golden Yellow rails
    3 - 74 Canada HMS Orion Gold Ochre Brown hull
    Black interdeck & lower strakes
    Ochre Brown bulwark
    Deck Tan top
    Gold rails
    3 - 74 Canada HMS Majestic Golden yellow
    Black lower
    Black hull
    Babypuke ochre UD & LD bands
    [Primer black] bulwark
    Babypuke Ochre top
    Golden Yellow rails
    3 - 74 Ganges HMS Ganges Golden yellow Yellow hull
    Black waterline and upperworks
    Primer black bulwark
    Primer black top
    Golden Yellow rails
    3 - 74 Ganges HMS Culloden Golden yellow Yellow hull
    Black waterline, upperworks and interdeck strake
    Primer black bulwark
    Primer black top
    Golden Yellow rails
    3 - 74 Ganges HMS Tremendous Black w/white upper gallery Black hull
    White interdeck strake and UD
    Primer black bulwark
    Primer black top
    Primer black rails
    3 - 74 Ganges HMS Invincible Primer black Black hull
    White deck stripes with LD wraparound
    Primer black bulwark
    Primer black top
    Primer black rails
    3 - 74 Ganges HMS Minden Black w/Babypuke Ochre Black hull
    Babypuke Ochre deck stripes with LD wraparound
    Primer black bulwark
    Primer black top
    Primer black rails
    3 - 64 Intrepid HMS Polyphemus Gold Black hull
    Yellow gundecks and interdeck strake
    Primer black bulwark
    Primer black top
    Gold rails
    3 - 64 Intrepid HMS America Gold Black hull
    Yellow gundecks and interdeck strake
    Primer black bulwark
    Yellow top
    Gold rails
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    That is a very useful looking chart DB. I am sure it will be a great help once we all get onto the Spaniards.

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    And now, taking lighting conditions on the reference painting into account, I'm thinking that Invincible and Minden will be trading names after a little detailing. Babypuke would be more consistent with the time of Invincible's launch anyway. Most of those are conjectural, so I would suggest that the best use anyone else can get out of my table there is as a template to build your own's formatting from. Given the very short rafting on the Ganges prints, I'm afraid finishing paintwork with those "wrap-around" LD stripes will have to wait until after de-rafting.

    Right now I'm really glad that the "classic" Spanish Armada alternating-red-and-gold markings were long gone before our game's time... the options of forward-diagonal, backward-diagonal or chevron patterns would give visual differentiation and Eye Catching factor, but would be an abject NIGHTMARE to paint.

    As an aside, I've been discussing some things with Miscmini over at the Aerodrome, and based on how big the flags are from San Ildefonso at Trafalgar and USS Chesapeake, he says that if we do all the size and pattern research work and come up with sufficient numbers he's open to the idea of developing a sheet of flags for us.
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    Yes, the flag sizes... If I didn't know better it looks like they painted the mainsail. They are ridiculously huge. Then on the other hand, even more so is the mainsail of Victory that was shown quite recently.

    But, having a quite good laser printer bought with miniature flags in mind a decade ago, I don't need any flag sheet and I suspect a few others here are all set.

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    I must admit that whilst a pro like Miscmini doing flags is appealing, I still have a lot of decal sheets to use up before I would need any more flags.
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    Well… it’s a Swedish frigate more.

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    This time painted as Venus.

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    Nice info there DB, willuse this myself

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    Nice one Jonas. That's another I will not need to research!
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    Meanwhile I have been messing around just trying to tidy up the odds and ends for the Tripoli show.



    Two last pieces of terrain. One to end the coastline neatly and the other a fort just off Tripoli called the Spaiish Castle.

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    That was yesterday, and today here they are, finished off and in place on the board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capn Duff View Post
    Nice info there DB, willuse this myself
    Again, don't treat this as "gospel" historical data--Polyphemus and America are only referenced to directly mimic the official Ares ships they're bumping aside. And to our longterm Nappy naval painters, again, I would appreciate any thoughts you might have about filling in the blanks. I'm gonna need a LOT of that once I get into the rest of the Intrepid class...
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    Plans for my next Intrepids, once they're ordered and printed...

    *HMS Intrepid: as per Canada, but gold beak rails
    *HMS Standard: black hull, white gundeck stripes, golden-yellow beak rails and gallery
    *HMS Diadem: black hull, yellow LD, golden-yellow beak rails and gallery
    The rest of the class, I need references on, but I'll build a table somewhere on this site once blanks start getting filled in.
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    Starting to consider an alternate storage option... these boxes are 14x9x3.25", is that tall enough and sections wide enough for a First Rate on base?
    https://www.planomolding.com/prolatc...away-deep-3700
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    If they will take a First Rate they are a good option DB and not too pricey either.
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    Working on two more Swedish frigates:

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    Might be of interest, Rob, that the figurhead of Fröja was a white painted woman. Camilla had an almost brick coloured dark orange coloured woman stretching out her right arm holding an arrow pointed at her own chest.

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    If you thought of making Thetis this might come in handy:

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    Just the ticket Jonas.
    If the following are any use to you please feel free to use them, or modify to fit your own concept of the ships abilities. I am going to insert the correct picture of the ships and paint scheme once they are painted.

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    Nice cards Rob, should they be flying a tricolour ?

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    No Chris, but as I said, I can't change the ship picture until I get the Frigates painted in the correct colours and photograph them againsy my sand dunes background. After my cup of tea I will add the ship logs and base cards.
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    If you can't print FRÖJA, you'd be better off calling her Freja. It's not correct, but was used in the period.

    The crew was 342 in theory. Seldom as much in practice.

    They had 40 guns, but could take 44. I think the model have 44 guns.
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    The last two small windows on the upper deck could be used for two additional 6 skålpund (5,5 lb) guns.
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    As I know nothing about the Swedish fleet and its colours was wondering was all

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    Here you can see the Swedish colours:

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    Hans/Hennes majestäts skepps (His/Her Majesty's Ships).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capn Duff View Post
    As I know nothing about the Swedish fleet and its colours was wondering was all
    Don't honestly know much myself Chris. My mentor is Jonas. I now apparently need to reprint all my cards for Freja unless I can get artistic with a sharpie pen! The only book I have is a very good book "Naval wars in the Baltic"- by Anderson, which Jonas put me onto a few years back. The bad news is it don't have much on the ships themselves, and obviously nothing on them in the Med.

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    Here’s my version of Fröja.

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    Once again brilliant looking ship Jonas

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    Thank you, Chris. And thank you for the reputation.

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    This evening I finally got startrd on my own version of Fröja.
    Very busy with watering the plants this week.

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    Looks great. I haven't even thought about masts and sails for my Swedish frigates, yet.

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    Thought I'd better get the drilling done first Jonas, and then realised that the wire I shove up the mast fits the ready made holes, so only had to drill for the bowsprit and peg under the hull. That was a relief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    If they will take a First Rate they are a good option DB and not too pricey either.
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    Problem is they only hold a dozen at best even IF it all fits, and my Ares Victory and Oceans are all in storage so I can't measure them for fit. And the lack of space for decks and logs...
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    Would it help if I measure my Victory for you DB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Would it help if I measure my Victory for you DB?

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    That'd be a huge help again--I need overall length from jib tip to spanker tip or rear of base (rearmost point), height on base from tabletop to masthead and width of base--hopefully it comes in under 3-1/8" tall, 2-1/4" width and 4-1/2" extreme length. Thanks. :)

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    Do we all put a peg on the ship hulls or leaving the peg off ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capn Duff View Post
    Do we all put a peg on the ship hulls or leaving the peg off ?
    I'm planning to skip the peg and use washers and REM's for a magnetic mount. If it works I'm even considering converting my Ares ships to that method... the ones that don't get Obsoleted and Archived anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capn Duff View Post
    Do we all put a peg on the ship hulls or leaving the peg off ?
    I peg the ones which I intend to use as another ship on the flip side. If not I stick 'em down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    That'd be a huge help again--I need overall length from jib tip to spanker tip or rear of base (rearmost point), height on base from tabletop to masthead and width of base--hopefully it comes in under 3-1/8" tall, 2-1/4" width and 4-1/2" extreme length. Thanks. :)

    Wish I'd remembered about these months ago, Sportsman's Warehouse over here has 'em on a Father's Day Sale for seven bucks each this weekend.
    I will be on it tomorrow for you DB.

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    Thanks, Rob. Constitution might be a better length measure unless the Oceans are longer still.

    Wish I knew where the old measurements from when I was scratch-designing a case got filed...
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    I will get on it today and see which is the largest ship in my collection DB.
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    I finished my Camilla yesterday but I went to bed instead of posting my work.
    Here she is.

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    Last picture shows a kind of repaint. The gallery side window appears to have been round on at least some of the Bellona frigates at least for some time. I painted it this way to try it out.
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    Gorgeous Jonas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Thanks, Rob. Constitution might be a better length measure unless the Oceans are longer still.

    Wish I knew where the old measurements from when I was scratch-designing a case got filed...
    And the answer is as follows:- all three ships, Constitution, Victory, and the Oceans are 3 & 5/8" long from tip of the Jib to rear of the base. No Spankers overhang. Heighs are from table to tip of Mainmast 3 & 1/8" but Victory overtops them at 3 & 3/16" Base width is a smidgeon under 2" say 1 & 63/64ths.

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    Thank you for the reputation, Vol and Rob!

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    Again, just superb Jonas

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexaS View Post
    Thank you for the reputation, Vol and Rob!
    You are welcome Jonas. Just thanks for your inspirational lead on these Frigates and the super painting guide it has provided.
    I got the deck and hull started on my first today before the light got too bad. I prefer painting detail in natural light rather than artificial as the shadows are more diffused.

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    Thanks, Chris.

    Great to hear, Rob.

    I tried to make them interesting…

    After seeing your masts I got inspired to actually finish my first 3D printed ship, but after dropping it on the floor four times I’ll end it for tonight. I’ll finish her tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    And the answer is as follows:- all three ships, Constitution, Victory, and the Oceans are 3 & 5/8" long from tip of the Jib to rear of the base. No Spankers overhang. Heighs are from table to tip of Mainmast 3 & 1/8" but Victory overtops them at 3 & 3/16" Base width is a smidgeon under 2" say 1 & 63/64ths.

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    Thanks, Rob--I'll try to remember to take a ruler and swing by Sportsman's Wednesday. Victory MAY be okay with a slight tilt.

    Also, while we'd lose three ships' capacity, this case might be a better fit because of the large open-section having room for logs, decks and chit bags--other than the rulebooks and mats, I almost think you could fit one if not two full Starters in here.
    https://www.planomolding.com/fishing...k-storage-3700

    Jonas, you've inspired me with another "team project" idea based on that table I previously built: I'm tempted to suggest a Google sheet with the various Turner, Mann and Ares miniatures, and links to whatever paintings or dockyard models we can find of ships which that sculpt is accessible for. Along with noting the "Ares" schemes where applicable; my suggestion when Ares and Contemporary Source differ is swap the Ares paper onto a Turner/Mann miniature then pair the Ares model with custom cards of a "no known references" sister. For the record, I am obligated to point out that I see this as complement and expansion, not competition--there is a better chance of my girlfriend letting me, and me actually getting the chance to, invite a supermodel to join our household and bear and raise children with us, and have her accept and it all work out, than there is of Ares even scratching the surface exhausting the Reprint Candidate pools on Slade Common 74s, Temeraires and Hebe-lineage medium frigates. (And if Ares *does* release a miniature we've already done, no biggie, just swap identities since paper is cheap--just as I've already done with my own Invincible and Minden.)
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    Update: 3780 doesn't work, it's too short at 2.8" exterior height--might be good for frigates though. Long skinny compartments on 3730 and 3780 both look to have around 2" of clear space; I think dividers on 3730 can be set at 4" spacing which would work with a little stickyback foam and some spacer cushioning to go around the masts.

    Further update: Plano moldings are 1/16" thick, so most threedeckers would JUST fit but Victory is problematic. She might need dismounting to work. Now trying to decide whether to add magnet-and-washer mounting to my Ares ships and clip the pins, M&W but keep the pins, or just stay as-is.

    Then I need some ideas with sorting and storage systems... group by nation and rating (say, all British First Rates together in one box, French in another, Spanish in a third), group as squadrons by launch year (say a First Rate and several 74's) or group as opposed pairs of equal rate?
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    DB, It's an interesting idea. It would be good to have, but it'll be a lot of work.

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