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    An interesting variation Vol. I have to apply my sails last because I solder my spars to the masts, so It will be interesting to discover how your new method of attack works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    Huh, no quarter davits at all? I see the stern davits and boat for Constitution. So far the only US ship from Warlord with quarter davit and boats is the United States with which they don't fit due to the elevated poop/pilot house. They do fit well though on the President, which did not come with them.
    Every depiction I have ever seen of American frigates shows quarter and stern davits for boat storage.

    They are nicely detailed hulls though aren't they!
    For what it's worth I've not seen any sign of quarter davits for Essex in any model, drawing or painting I've come across? Were these typically added later as needed and not part of the original plans? My knowledge of ship history and engineering is pretty limited so I can't offer more than that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmoss View Post
    For what it's worth I've not seen any sign of quarter davits for Essex in any model, drawing or painting I've come across? Were these typically added later as needed and not part of the original plans? My knowledge of ship history and engineering is pretty limited so I can't offer more than that?
    Jim, I stand corrected! You are absolutely right and I was wrong. Essex only had stern davits. The original six frigates Constitution, President, United States, Constellation, Congress and Chesapeak had them. Thank you for setting me straight.

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    Well timed gents. I was just about to change my Essex and add davits and a couple of my Langton small boats.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    Jim, I stand corrected! You are absolutely right and I was wrong. Essex only had stern davits. The original six frigates Constitution, President, United States, Constellation, Congress and Chesapeak had them. Thank you for setting me straight.
    To be honest, Vol I was figuring you were right and I just hadn't seen the best photos or visual representations. As a good example I just found this plan for the USS Pennsylvania from and there are no quarter or stern davits represented, but they are added on models and Currier Ives prints and maybe on the ship by 1837?
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    Are davits ever on design/build plans, or are they installed ad-hoc as part of fitting-out?
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    I think that they were a relatively new concept at the beginning of the 19th century and probably added at the taste of the commanding officer.

    The technology of sailing was evolving rapidly and all kinds of new things were being tried. Diagonal braces let single deck ships be built longer. Iron knees made finding wooden ones less important (not a perfect solution). Rounded sterns would make a stern rake less painful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Are davits ever on design/build plans, or are they installed ad-hoc as part of fitting-out?
    No, not to my knowledge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Are davits ever on design/build plans, or are they installed ad-hoc as part of fitting-out?
    Maybe Dave Manley can shed some light on this one DB.
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    Inspired by DB's Lego pirate ship I've started a 1/700 version of the Royal Fortune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmoss View Post
    Inspired by DB's Lego pirate ship I've started a 1/700 version of the Royal Fortune.
    Ooh I love the paint color Jim! Is that the base, what are you using?

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    Ensign Patch will approve of that. Might even get me interested. I wonder if Henry will do those early Dutch ships in 1000th scale?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    Ooh I love the paint color Jim! Is that the base, what are you using?
    Thank, Vol. It's Vallejo Model Color "Flat Red" and I'm going to use that as the final color. I like the way stands out.

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    Ensign Patch will approve of that. Might even get me interested. I wonder if Henry will do those early Dutch ships in 1000th scale?

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    Henry has a number of early Dutch ships up on Wargaming 3D. The issue for anyone wanting a different scale is making the conversion from existing files and then printing. I don't have a FDM or resin printer and converting scales for printing isn't something I'd be trying anytime soon. I'd ask Henry and see what he says?

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    What with the Holidays and family responsibilities I haven't spent much time in the shipyard the last couple of days. Here is my progress so far on the Spaniard.
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    Well that is 100% more than I have got done Vol. I did not even get my Cruel Seas box opened until about an hour ago. Just enough time to see how the ships accessories fit to the correct hulls.
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    Going to be an impressive looking ship on the table, Vol.
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    I finished Royal Fortune this afternoon. I tried something a bit different with the ratlines/shrouds, which might be an approach I'll use down the line? I cobbled together some of the Langton ratline sets from 3 decks and 74's to get them to fit on the 1/700 frigate. If you don't look too close it looks okay. I may also add a pennant later, but for now she's done.
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    Looks great in front of Skull Island with your Ghost ship Jim.
    I will see what I can do with that picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Looks great in front of Skull Island with your Ghost ship Jim.
    I will see what I can do with that picture.

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    Thanks Rob. I really need to finish up the island by adding a base for some sandy/rocky beach areas and some form of a pier coming out of the skull maw? :)
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    So now that I'm pledged for Henry's models including a 1765 Victory, I need some suggestions on a shade for Keppel or Kempenfelt's day... different sources say a yellow-brown or red.
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    I was able to do a bit more on the sails tonight. Now I need to finish the studding sails and start the standing rigging.
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    The detail work on your sails is incredible. The holes through the sails and on to the booms?!? I'd go crazy trying to do that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmoss View Post
    The detail work on your sails is incredible. The holes through the sails and on to the booms?!? I'd go crazy trying to do that!
    Aw, thanks Jim. I just wish I could make the paint crisp like yours. BTW, Simon Mann informed me this FDM printed Montanes hull is one of his designs. He and I have been PM'ing and I am purchasing 3 of his ships in resin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    Aw, thanks Jim. I just wish I could make the paint crisp like yours. BTW, Simon Mann informed me this FDM printed Montanes hull is one of his designs. He and I have been PM'ing and I am purchasing 3 of his ships in resin.
    So, Simon does printing on demand? This is the big issue I have right now, no printer and no access to someone who has a quality resin printer. I have been in contact with Henry about using 3rd parties to do printing and he's amenable to it as long as they agree in writing that the intellectual content is his and that they remove/delete files once a print is made. I haven't found anyone who I can trust to follow these requirements, but I'll continuing looking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmoss View Post
    So, Simon does printing on demand? This is the big issue I have right now, no printer and no access to someone who has a quality resin printer. I have been in contact with Henry about using 3rd parties to do printing and he's amenable to it as long as they agree in writing that the intellectual content is his and that they remove/delete files once a print is made. I haven't found anyone who I can trust to follow these requirements, but I'll continuing looking.
    1st rate hulls are Ł8.50, with combined resin masts and sails Ł11.50. 3rd/4th rates are Ł7.50, 5th/6th rate frigates are Ł5.50. Shipping is around Ł7

    These are the San Ildefonso, Tonnant and Spanish San Jose
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    1st rate hulls are Ł8.50, with combined resin masts and sails Ł11.50. 3rd/4th rates are Ł7.50, 5th/6th rate frigates are Ł5.50. Shipping is around Ł7

    These are the San Ildefonso, Tonnant and Spanish San Jose
    Wow! Well that's certainly something to consider now. Thanks for the information, Vol.
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    Studding sails on now
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    And superb they look Vol. You could almost say tip top if thy were skysails.
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    Very impressive!! That's got to go up on Facebook when you're done.
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    Ratlines and some more standing rigging done tonight
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    Based on the Ares paint-maps Rob sent me, working up conversions to Vallejo paints I'll need for Henry's 3d prints; also drafting a pitch recommending that Ares look into a Licensing Partnership and give his miniatures "Official Game Accessory" status on hulls they never intend to sculpt like Nepomuceno (SGN112 is only Bahama) and Intrepid (SGN114 is Ardent).
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    The first of three waves of new land is making slow progress, but I'm excited!

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    Looking very good thus far Dobbs. It takes me back a year or so to my first attempts on the Ares terrain templates and the realization that some of the promontories would need to be mirror imaged, and trying to squeeze the extra pieces out of each sheet.
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    Dobbs those will look very nice one sceniced and on the table.
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    Nice cuts Dobbs. What are you using for bases? They look like foam core sheet?

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    Thank you, gentlemen. It is foam, Vol. I use home insulation foam. I believe that's 3/4" thick. The bases are 2mm styrene from Evergreen.

    It's all Bligh's fault. Here's the link to his project.

    https://sailsofglory.org/showthread....on-in-sequence

    Yes, Rob, I have about 14 more pieces to do. This is the largest land building project I have taken on and don't want to get overwhelmed so I'm breaking it down into waves. Just buying enough styrene set me back about $40!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbs View Post
    It's all Bligh's fault. Here's the link to his project.

    https://sailsofglory.org/showthread....on-in-sequence
    Ah yes, I remember that one! It was quite intimidating!

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    Sorry shipmates! The idea of doing the How to was intended to be encouraging, not intimidating.

    Maybe I should not do any more? I don't want to scare people off or bancrupt you Dobbs.

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    With no immediate let up of the pandemic I think you should be doing more, not less, Rob. We expect to see even more in 2021?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Sorry shipmates! The idea of doing the How to was intended to be encouraging, not intimidating.

    Maybe I should not do any more? I don't want to scare people off or bancrupt you Dobbs.

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    Haha, only kidding Rob! Well not really, I am intimidated by your terrain skills because they are so far beyond my own! There I said it! I feel so much better now.

    Oh, and ditto what Nightmoss said!

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    I know it is no longer December, but this is still on my workbench. All of the sails are on now and the standing rigging is done.
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    Now that is intimidating Vol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    Haha, only kidding Rob! Well not really, I am intimidated by your terrain skills because they are so far beyond my own! .
    Many a true word is spoken in jest Vol. I am not so concerned about those of you who are taking up the challenge to do your own terrain, but that i might be putting off the beginners rather than encourage them to spread their sails and have a go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Many a true word is spoken in jest Vol. I am not so concerned about those of you who are taking up the challenge to do your own terrain, but that i might be putting off the beginners rather than encourage them to spread their sails and have a go.
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    I was a beginner before your posts, Rob. I had never made terrain before. Thanks to your guidance I have expanded my hobby skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Many a true word is spoken in jest Vol. I am not so concerned about those of you who are taking up the challenge to do your own terrain, but that i might be putting off the beginners rather than encourage them to spread their sails and have a go.
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    Might help to put up some of the early experiments, particularly any that went sideways, so that they can see you had a Learning Curve too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Might help to put up some of the early experiments, particularly any that went sideways, so that they can see you had a Learning Curve too.
    That would be mostly all those sinking ship markers I have then DB.
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    I love your terrain Rob! Looking at your terrain sustains me when I am having a creative block. Please don't stop! I drool over your terrain! It's not a pretty sight, trust me!

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    Any suggestions for anything I have not yet produced, that may enhance our naval gaming experience would be welcomed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Any suggestions for anything I have not yet produced, that may enhance our naval gaming experience would be welcomed?

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    Well, seeing as there's a discussion of blinking lights in another thread have you ever modeled a working lighthouse or light beacon on a shore or fort? For that matter what about firing guns from a fort. I'd enjoy seeing something like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Any suggestions for anything I have not yet produced, that may enhance our naval gaming experience would be welcomed?

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    Just a thought
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