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    Continuing with my 3D HMS Captain from November's workbench, I had to add some skid beams to mount the ship's boats on, then realized I didn't have any boats, at least any extras that is. I have the boats that came with the Black Seas third rates I haven't built yet. So I made a quick two part mold out of Sculpy and made some boats.
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    Then I built the masts
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    Then I made some furled sails for the lower courses and sprit yard
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    Last thing I accomplished was cutting out the sails and gluing them to various markers and pens. Hopefully I will be able to devote some more time to the Captain tomorrow.

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    Your boats and masts look superb Vol. Are the masts steel with plastic fighting tops or all metal.
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    After many months of inactivity involving ship building I'm going to try and finish the Warlords l'Orient (looking back I actually think it's been over a year since I've touched a ship kit)?!
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    Vol, your boats and masts look great. You probably could start a business on Facebook with those masts? More than a few folks are not pleased with the Warlord white metal masts and have had to resort to using the plastic 3rd rate versions.
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    I quite agree Jim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Your boats and masts look superb Vol. Are the masts steel with plastic fighting tops or all metal.
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    Yes Rob, steel rod, but this time instead of my usual plastic credit card material, I used a heavy card stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmoss View Post
    Vol, your boats and masts look great. You probably could start a business on Facebook with those masts? More than a few folks are not pleased with the Warlord white metal masts and have had to resort to using the plastic 3rd rate versions.
    I have another problem with the plastic version masts. They cast the spars flush with the masts, rather than properly in front of the mast. And the fighting tops are too shallow for proper ratline attachment. When I use them I end up cutting away all of the spars and extend the tops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmoss View Post
    After many months of inactivity involving ship building I'm going to try and finish the Warlords l'Orient (looking back I actually think it's been over a year since I've touched a ship kit)?!
    Ooh that's a nice paint job Jim! Wish I could paint crisp lines like that. A year huh! Well you certainly haven't lost your touch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    Ooh that's a nice paint job Jim! Wish I could paint crisp lines like that. A year huh! Well you certainly haven't lost your touch!
    You are too kind, Vol. If you ever want to sell some of your metal masts just send me a PM. Not sure how much modeling I'll be doing, but your masts and spars outdo anything Warlords is producing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    I have another problem with the plastic version masts. They cast the spars flush with the masts, rather than properly in front of the mast. And the fighting tops are too shallow for proper ratline attachment. When I use them I end up cutting away all of the spars and extend the tops.
    I am agreeing with a lot here today Vol, that is why I silver solder my spars on to any masts I make. like the credit card idea too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmoss View Post
    You are too kind, Vol. If you ever want to sell some of your metal masts just send me a PM. Not sure how much modeling I'll be doing, but your masts and spars outdo anything Warlords is producing!
    Are you building Black Seas ships now Jim? Your Orient is beautiful. I haven't tried a 1st rate yet. Did it come with plastic or metal masts? I don't have any info on the dimensions for first rate masts or spars in 1/700. I am using the same measurements I obtained from the WGBS 3rd rates for the masts, spars and sails for HMS Captain. The Black Seas 3rd rates are exactly 3" at the gun deck which equates to 175 feet at 1/700 scale, which would be an average for the common to middling 3rd rate. Though they are a bit too high for true scale. Henry's Canada class 3rd rate comes out exactly at the Captain's 172 ft and the depth is right on for the scale. But in order to sit the same table with the Warlord Games ships, I may have to raise it a bit, like I do with the Navwar ships so they can play with the Langtons.
    Oh and thank you Jim for the Rep points, much appreciated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    Are you building Black Seas ships now Jim? Your Orient is beautiful. I haven't tried a 1st rate yet. Did it come with plastic or metal masts? I don't have any info on the dimensions for first rate masts or spars in 1/700. I am using the same measurements I obtained from the WGBS 3rd rates for the masts, spars and sails for HMS Captain. The Black Seas 3rd rates are exactly 3" at the gun deck which equates to 175 feet at 1/700 scale, which would be an average for the common to middling 3rd rate. Though they are a bit too high for true scale. Henry's Canada class 3rd rate comes out exactly at the Captain's 172 ft and the depth is right on for the scale. But in order to sit the same table with the Warlord Games ships, I may have to raise it a bit, like I do with the Navwar ships so they can play with the Langtons.
    Oh and thank you Jim for the Rep points, much appreciated!
    Yes, Vol, I'm trying to catch up with the Warlord 1/700 ships I purchased last year. Warlord 1st rates come with metal fittings (masts, boats, anchors, etc.) and the hull proper is resin. The fleet boxes for French, British and Spanish include one resin 1st rate, 3 plastic frigates, 3 plastic 3rd rates and a bomb ships base. I'll try to get some photos up of the the metal masts from HMS Victory held against the 3rd plastic masts so you can see comparison shots. A big reason I moved to 1/700 is directly related to my eyes and how well I can model after the cataract surgery. 1/1000 is doable, but my days of 1/1200 ship assembly (at least for rigging) are probably over. Thanks also for the rep.
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    Masts for l'Orient got placed yesterday. After sufficient drying time I'll start the touch up and rigging.
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    Are these the metal mast/spar sets Jim? They don't appear quite so bad as the platic sets. The the spar appear to set more to the front of the masts rather than flush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    Are these the metal mast/spar sets Jim? They don't appear quite so bad as the platic sets. The the spar appear to set more to the front of the masts rather than flush.
    Yes, these are the white metal masts. They're not quite as flush as the plastic, but not as distinctively separate as Langton masts and sail sets. I'll still try to show a comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    Are these the metal mast/spar sets Jim? They don't appear quite so bad as the platic sets. The the spar appear to set more to the front of the masts rather than flush.
    Vol, I put up some comparison shots of the metal vs plastic masts from Warlords on an existing thread so as not to overload this workbench December thread. Here's the thread link:

    https://www.sailsofglory.org/showthr...6497#post96497

    While I have some 1st rate sails in brass that I may still use for l'Orient I decided to trace and cut out some brass sails from a roll of brass sheeting I had on hand. We'll see how they rough up and bend to look appropriate for the ship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmoss View Post
    Vol, I put up some comparison shots of the metal vs plastic masts from Warlords on an existing thread so as not to overload this workbench December thread. Here's the thread link:

    https://www.sailsofglory.org/showthr...6497#post96497

    While I have some 1st rate sails in brass that I may still use for l'Orient I decided to trace and cut out some brass sails from a roll of brass sheeting I had on hand. We'll see how they rough up and bend to look appropriate for the ship.
    Those metal masts look "bendy". I'm afraid it might be difficult to keep the rigging taught with soft metal masts. I know it's difficult in 1/1200 scale.
    Gosh Jim that is ambitious. I haven't tried to make brass sails for a very long time. I came to the realization that paper sails didn't make me bleed near as much as brass LOL!

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    Has anyone ever tried sheet plastic for sails and maybe a blow dryer to add draft?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    Those metal masts look "bendy". I'm afraid it might be difficult to keep the rigging taught with soft metal masts. I know it's difficult in 1/1200 scale.
    Gosh Jim that is ambitious. I haven't tried to make brass sails for a very long time. I came to the realization that paper sails didn't make me bleed near as much as brass LOL!
    The white metal masts are very "bendy", which was a major complaint (and still is I think) from folks on the Black Seas pages of Facebook. It's for that reason I purchased some elastic threading that might make rigging a bit easier? I have never used stretch thread before so it remains to be seen how well this will work?

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    You're correct concerning the brass sails as I'd managed to stick myself twice with the sharp ends of the jib sails!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbs View Post
    Has anyone ever tried sheet plastic for sails and maybe a blow dryer to add draft?
    I never have, Dobbs. It might work, but the blow dryer may shrink the plastic before it takes on the draft shape you want?
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    I use the plastic sails and roll them round a rod to form them, but have not tried using a blow dryer. Mrs Bligh has a heat bender gun which she uses on some of her fabric projects when incoorperating other materials into it. I have used it to bend perspex for flame markers but not styrene based plastics. I must try it out.
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    A word of caution about elastic thread. In my experience it loses its stretch over time. In a year or two you may have slack rigging. Or maybe I bought cheap thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbs View Post
    A word of caution about elastic thread. In my experience it loses its stretch over time. In a year or two you may have slack rigging. Or maybe I bought cheap thread...
    Sound advice for sure, but this brand of thread was anything but cheap. Having looked at it again this afternoon it might actually be too fine to use for my eyesight. Even their 'standard' size is incredibly fine!?
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    Standing rigging finished after 2+ hours. Rusty hardly describes how I felt working on the rigging today. Opted for the standard thread rather than the stretch thread as my eyes had trouble even seeing this. I'm not sure I'll go with the running rigging or not? If Rory was still with us I know he'd guilt me into it. Sails and ratlines next, but it might be sometime for the ratlines as they're coming from the UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmoss View Post
    Standing rigging finished after 2+ hours. Rusty hardly describes how I felt working on the rigging today. Opted for the standard thread rather than the stretch thread as my eyes had trouble even seeing this. I'm not sure I'll go with the running rigging or not? If Rory was still with us I know he'd guilt me into it. Sails and ratlines next, but it might be sometime for the ratlines as they're coming from the UK.
    I'll stand in for my old friend! Come on Jim, you know it looks better wth the full rigging...maybe a stay sail or two as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    I'll stand in for my old friend! Come on Jim, you know it looks better wth the full rigging...maybe a stay sail or two as well!
    I had this feeling you'd stand in for Rory! I'll see what I can do as I know the ratlines will be some time before arriving and getting through customs (plus it's the holidays).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmoss View Post
    I had this feeling you'd stand in for Rory! I'll see what I can do as I know the ratlines will be some time before arriving and getting through customs (plus it's the holidays).
    Why wait?

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    Just saying......

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    Or here's another jig design you may prefer

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    Dwarf! This was my first time trying to paint a beard, I think it's come up very well.
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    No-one expects a ship full of dwarves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    Why wait?

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    Just saying......
    I actually got the 3D print files for a ratline jig off of Wargaming 3D sometime ago, and that's as far as it went. You're way more creative and talented with your masts and ratlines than I'll ever be. I'm a lazy modeler when it comes down to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McDorf View Post
    Dwarf! This was my first time trying to paint a beard, I think it's come up very well.
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    No one expects a ship full of dwarves OR the Spanish Inquisition?
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    Are you building a Dwarf Army Gary?
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    HMS Captain so far

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    Stay sails, the rest of the rigging, then the base, flagging and she is done!

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    Looking good Vol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Are you building a Dwarf Army Gary?
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    Indeed I am. I've even managed to pick up the Brewmaster-General Jakkob Bugmansson, a decedent of Josef Bugman!
    No-one expects a ship full of dwarves.

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    You may care to cast your eyes over these then Gary.










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    I'm very impressed, now that's a dwarf army! Perfect for settling any grudges.
    No-one expects a ship full of dwarves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    HMS Captain so far

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    Stay sails, the rest of the rigging, then the base, flagging and she is done!
    She's looking awesome, Vol!
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    Thanks Jim and Rob.

    That is an impressive dwarven army Rob, larger than my own. But I do hava a couple of Gob Lobbers and one Steam Cannon with crew. I have nothing as cool as your exquisite dwarven banner!

    HMS Captain with stay sails mounted and standing rigging completed for this evening's session.

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    Thanks Vol.
    I don't normally field all my Dwarven Hoard together. This Army is actually from three of my separate Dwarf Holds, brought together for this battle. I also gathered my Miners and the three incarnations of Bugman's Rangers for this one. The banner was done in the days before computers. It is Blake’s painting "The Ancient of Days" copied on a Roneo duplicating machine in Black and white, reduced by the old squared paper method and then hand painted by me. Those were the days my friend!

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    And that is why I don't have a banner like that, haha! Yes my dwarves were done back in the day as well, like 1984ish? Haven't had them out to play for 30 plus years. Your pics make me want to dust them off and set them up.
    But I have so many ships to build.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    HMS Captain with stay sails mounted and standing rigging completed for this evening's session.

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    That looks amazing!...I have carved a ship from a block of wood myself...but I'm afraid it isn't very accurate to any type of ship.

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    Hello Daniel, welcome to the Anchorage. And thank you for the rep points. I have not tried a block of wood, but I have done a few scratch built ships using balsa or bass wood, card, plastic, brass, and anything else I found useful laying around.

    https://volsminiatures.blogspot.com/...opard.html?m=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    And that is why I don't have a banner like that, haha! Yes my dwarves were done back in the day as well, like 1984ish? Haven't had them out to play for 30 plus years. Your pics make me want to dust them off and set them up.
    But I have so many ships to build.........
    I know how you feel Vol. My Dwarf Army has not been in battle since Wings of War came out. They have even forgotten most of the grudges by now.
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    I finished Captain tonight
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    You have certainly done her proud Vol.
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    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    HMS Captain looks fantastic, Vol. All the extra details you've added really contributes to the authenticity. Well done!
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    Thank you Rob and Jim. I must find a way to make hammock netting though. Captain and all of these 3D hulls need some.

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    What a splendid idea Vol.Away the boarders!
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    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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