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    Like Chris said, anything we can do to help get more ships pushed off the ways just pop smoke. Or put up a flare, or whatever the day's equivalent was...

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    Hi guys and thanks for the welcome.

    Diamondback: yes indeed definitely much more variation in the Spanish sterns compared to other nations!

    Having looked at the postings I can see that the next two ships on my Spanish list might be in need here, the Bahama and Rayo. I already have some plans from a while ago but any extra ones that people have or that I can cross reference with would be much appreciated.
    Can't guarantee when I will crack on with them but they definitely will get done
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    Bahama in particular is a nightmare--the onlyt drawing Greenwich has is as a prison hulk, and she saw major changes in length and beam both when she was taken down as a 64 and rebuilt up into a 74. Ares's model has a 74's shape but a 64's size--if memory serves the 64 version should be about 49mm on LGD, the 74 version around 52 or 53.
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    Well, as usual I'll probably buy most of the ships in the end. It's not very expensive to buy the .stl-files and I can print as many ships as I want. From Ares sadly a single ship costs more.

    This means that I will pay for a sculpt, even if it's just for a single ship. San Justo means I will get this one.

    I have had no problems printing Simon's ships in 1:1000.

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    As you may have gathered Simon, we are a bit starved of ships for our game, unfortunately the last sets of official made ships were on the small side which is why we are slowly replacing with sculpts from yourself and Henry.
    As Jonas has said, I also will purchase new ships to replace the ones that are not, shall we say the size we expected, and the sculpts being made now with the 3d printing certainly are exceptional, well to me at least. Even more since I now have my own printer.

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    Also, Simon, if you sign any licensing agreements with anybody over in the US, please shout--some of us are in poor position to make space for a printer and thus have to subcontract that work. :(
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    Quote Originally Posted by T1ckL35 View Post
    Hello to everyone, new to the board :)

    Chris (Capn Duff) contacted me (Simon Mann) about future ships and it encouraged me to finish the final parts of the San Joaquin class (1771+) model to represent the 5 ships of the class.
    Here's the high hull resin version. It has about 2mm (at 1:700 scale) kept just below the waterline so that it can be mounted on a rough/choppy sea base without losing the lower gundeck ports to waves.
    This will print in resin between 1:700 and 1:1200 so should also be fine to print at 1:1000.
    Anyway I'll try and get a test print completed shortly and then pop it up on wargaming3d.com.

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    Note, the San Justo as used at trafalgar has virtually identical hull lines according to my sources, with only the bow mainly below the waterline being slightly more rounded and the stern being slightly shorter/wider at the extreme with a more vertical pointing rudder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T1ckL35 View Post
    Hi guys and thanks for the welcome.

    Diamondback: yes indeed definitely much more variation in the Spanish sterns compared to other nations!

    Having looked at the postings I can see that the next two ships on my Spanish list might be in need here, the Bahama and Rayo. I already have some plans from a while ago but any extra ones that people have or that I can cross reference with would be much appreciated.
    Can't guarantee when I will crack on with them but they definitely will get done
    Rayo is definately high on my list. That will be bought. Bahama will probably be bought, but now I have my half finished substitute... It'll be like my old Santissima. It may be less than correct but it has sentimental value to me. It will be a while before I substitute my Indefatigable... but I have the file.

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    Hi again (and Vol) :)

    So I can't remember where I got this plan from but it appears to be a nicely tidied up Bahama one from it's 74 gun layout. Quite likely a modern redrawing of the admiralty plans.
    I've got a little time to play with this so have started drawing the inner lines. If I look into the 64 gun variant then it will probably be a case of comparing the San Leandro lines with other similar aged or earlier 60/64 plans and with these - mainly to get a better feel for how they compare. I've also got the dimensions as referenced on threedecks.org and 3decks.pbworks.com so it should give a better idea for the overall length of each variant (if true).
    I'll also probably cross reference the lines with the San Ildefonso/Montanes to see how close they were

    No licencing deals as yet though Diamondback


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    My understanding is Bahama as-launched was a straight repeat-build to the same plans of the elder San Pedro Alcantara. (The second 64 by that name was a San Fulgencio, basically an Ildefonso scaled down on a ratio of 49/52.) The gallery on that drawing looks almost identical to the prison-hulk draught at Greenwich.

    The Madrid archives are downright maddening in their incomplete attributions, you need a table of exact measurements of every ship they built and even then that only "narrows the field." Researching the Armada has been the bane of my existence since before this game even got out of Kickstarter...
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    Yes you are right, I've just been looking over my older notes again to refresh and it was the older alcantara that sank with a horde of treasure.
    I'll overlay the lines from this plan with the ildefonso ones to get a better feel for the rebuild modifications. Should be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T1ckL35 View Post
    Yes you are right, I've just been looking over my older notes again to refresh and it was the older alcantara that sank with a horde of treasure.
    I'll overlay the lines from this plan with the ildefonso ones to get a better feel for the rebuild modifications. Should be interesting.
    That would be an interesting comparison to see. At first I thought Bahama had been rebuilt up to Ildefonso spec since that was the "standard design" at that time, but in comparison for the drawings I found, to my eye the rake of her stern looked more like an enclosed version of San Joaquin or maybe San Fermin--not really a good fit to group with either Nepomuceno or Ildefonso. Still looking for anything on San Miguel and San Antonio to try to trace the evolution of the Spanish 74...
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    Funny you should mention a similarity to the San Joaquin - I created a new file for the lines from the San Joaquin one I had previously done. Dropping the Bahama plan in on the Joaquin lines shows that for the most part above the waterline, they are almost an exact match except for the extra pinching in at the stern nearer the water line and much narrower top rear, and the much sharper cutting bow shape. I'll also look to drop in the San Ildefonso and Montanes lines in to see if there are also similarities.

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    Thinking about it, maybe it makes more sense as on the following page it states that 'San Joaquín (originally begun as San Pedro de Alcántara) 70 (launched 14 June 1771 at Cartagena) - BU 1817'.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._line_of_Spain

    The actual finished San Pedro de Alcántara that sunk with the treasure was built in Cuba in 1770 so the Joaquin may well be the natural descendant.

    On top of that for the Bahama - 'She was built in Havana on plans originally drawn by Ignacio Mullan for the 64-gun San Pedro de Alcantara' so we could theoretically have a circular relationship to the lines which explains a number of similarities - but also differences with the spanish tweaking the designs between builds
    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanis..._Bahama_(1784)

    Very interesting :)

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