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    I start this month with an amputation!
    Making a start on my American Brig, i have removed her mizzen.

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    Aside from moving the mainmast aft by about its width (so it kisses the forward edge of the hatch behind it) removing the mizzen is the main operation. The hull remains the same length.

    I did delicately trim off the mizzen channels.

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    Good point about the mizzen chanels Dobbs. I may well have overlooked that matter.
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    Marking and cutting sails for the two Brigs.
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    Today I glued the Boom and Gaff to my sail and drilled holes in the mast to house them.
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    Now with the boom and Gaff set, I can try iy for fit on the mast before fitting the details to the sail.
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    Workbench: getting one laptop set up, so I can get another shipped off for repairs and then backup and reload this one.
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    That scenario rings a bell DB. But at least with my son being my inhouse Techi, he just orders the parts, and sets up the machine for me without the need for it going away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    That scenario rings a bell DB. But at least with my son being my inhouse Techi, he just orders the parts, and sets up the machine for me without the need for it going away.
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    Tower/desktop PC's are much easier to do that with than laptops, though. :(
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    Indeed they are DB.
    The Apple laptop had to go back to Sheffield for its upgrade.
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    1/700 Scale 10 Gun Sloop

    After making the naval cutter from the Black Seas generic brig, I wanted something a little sleeker and not so unrealistically broad. I thought about it quite a bit and decided War Artisan's 10 gun sloop was just the ticket. I had already made one in 1/300 and 1/1200 scales, so why not a 1/700 scale model. So here it is, complete with protruding guns at quarters and mounted on one of the new acrylic bases I am making for the BS ships now. Hope you like it.

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    With the corvette made from two Black Seas brigs
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    Sloops from left to right: 1/1200, 1/700, 1/300 scales
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    Great looking ships Vol.

    Rob, very nice conversion to make your American brig.

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    Very nice brig conver , I need to do one . Is the base ship a French alligator model ?

    Vol I like your model , very nice Sails . And I like the different model scales you have . Nice job

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    Both the American brigs are going to be from Alligators Ferrante, saimply because there were no Handy American ones available at the time.
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    Brig one now completed.
    Still not sure about the white masts though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Brig one now completed.
    Still not sure about the white masts though.
    To break up the whiteness on mine, I painted the masts above the courses a light tan. Also the lower gaff yard and the outer jib.

    Do you still need the adjusted brig base cards, Rob? If you kept the mainmast in the sloop spot, I'd stick with the sloop card, otherwise I can post brig cards soon. Suzanne and I are out voyaging, so after dinner we kind of fall in to bed, or we're in a place with no cell signal.

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    The adjusted card would be most acceptable thanks Dobbs.
    Are you anywhere nice on your Autumn voyage. and is Suzanne doing her usual blog?
    I got a parcel in the post on Tuesday, when it came back from the engravers, so it should be with you in about another week.
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    Ship Base Cards - 2-29-20 - US.pdf

    Here are two examples, Hawk and Falcon. Unfortunately, I did not save my master blank brig sheet as a PDF before leaving home. These are using my more traditional sailing angles, so don't play them against the stock base cards or brigs will get a really bad reputation!

    Suzanne and I are hunting out isolated little towns and limiting our exploration to the Chesapeake (which is still a lot of territory). she is working on her blog, but a little behind, as the sailing has been great. If you don't already get updates when she posts a new blog but would like to, here's her spot to sign up:

    https://waldenrigging.com/sailing-gracefully

    I will have my friend who checks our mail make sure the parcel is in a safe place until our return. Weather permitting, we want to keep voyaging until the beginning of December.

    Here's a picture of our course the other day.

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    We covered 40 nautical miles at an average speed of better than 6.5 knots. We were fluctuating between a 2nd and 3rd reef in the main and 1st and 2nd in the jib. It was exhilarating!
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    Thanks for those cards Dobbs. They will see me through nicely until your return.
    Till then may you both sail with a fair wind. I will watch the Blog.
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    You were also right about the ships masts. I just followed your advice and she looks far less anaemic now.
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    Thanks Dobbs.
    Just knocked out the Brig cards.
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    Those sailing angles are quite harsh to be Sails of Glory. They're about historical.

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    They are Dobbs cards. I am adopting them for all my new ships as soon as I can.
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    Are you updating all your old original ships too?

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    I am hoping to bring them all into line eventually Jonas, but with over 200 to do it will take a deal of time.

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    Meanwhile here are the ship mats I did this morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Meanwhile here are the ship mats I did this morning.
    BTW, Algerian Hassan Bashaw (brig) and one other tribute ship (schooner) of almost identical hull to Argus/Syren would probably look very similar in stats.
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    And not that it matters, but with brigs the sail you added was called the mainsail until after our period when it was called the spanker. The sail you'd think was called mainsail was the square mainsail. It comes from the older ship type brigantine that developed into the brig. The brigantine doesn't have a square mainsail.

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    A very good historical point Jonas. Thank you for bringing that one to our attention.
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    After sometime with the Game Saga I returned to SOG doing a conversion from ship Montaigne to Santísima Trinidad .
    I know Montagne is a 3 deck. But Santísima was a 3 decks at the beginning ...

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    I will add the Spanish flag and use with the Santa Ana stats

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    Nice one Ferrante.
    I can now add my ship cards for the American Brigs.
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    And here is her sister ship
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    I have knocked out a master ship log for Galleys using Dobbs stats if anyone would like it.
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    And here is one for the gunboats.
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    Dobbs, I went Concorde for Insurgente because the two classes were drawn up in response to the same Marine Ministry specification, rather like the A-9 vs A-10, F-16 vs YF-17 and F-22 vs YF-23 flyoffs. There's a typo in there, Insurgente is SGN101, I recommend the Amazon sculpt for the 28's too, and have suggested they just be straight reprinted with new paper as the Enterprise 28's also designed by Williams--to my untrained eye the overall shapes look very similar.

    I don't know of any draughts, but USS->FNS America was almost 20' longer than SGN104 HMS Bellona and bigger even than a Temeraire, almost the size of a typical First or Second Rate; she would have been a beast for taking punishment but her anemic 18#/12# as-built main batteries would badly hamstring her against even a British 64. Put this USS America, even with Jones at the helm, up against HMS Agamemnon and basically Nelson would add another huge feather to his cap. Given that her >185' length makes her the size of a British Large 74, give her a 32/18 or 32/24 main battery and she'd be a beast though. Better yet, upgun her to the same as the later American 74's with two full decks of 32's and...

    Bad news, we're not getting Enterprise. Ares requires a minimum length of 28m and she comes in 3 short... unless I can get them to mold a hull integral with the base lid, like how Axis & Allies cast multiple PT Boats on a tiddlywink base.
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    Again, take that with a grain, this is more "closest available proxy right now." Post particular ship requests in the Stats Committee and I'll trawl the data to see what we can come up with as a Playtest Candidate.

    From what I see, Essex as-launched is 26x12# plus 16x24#crde, while a typical British 12-pdr 32 fit of around the turn of the 19th Century has four less carronades, more commonly also 18# though the Thames-class (ironically a revival of a 1750s design) were rocking 24's in 1806. Take the best Amazon, boost her Burthen to 3 and give her a slight Gunnery buff, and with American live-oak hulls maybe give her an extra hull box. (Similar for Indian teak.) She's about 10' longer and 3' beamier than her British counterpart, and a hundred tons BM heavier.

    EDIT: Apologies for the HUFRACKINGMONGOUS image, but I found this comparison chart of the American 12-pdr frigates...

    When taken, the British thought Confederacy's hull would be more appropriate for an 18-pdr 38 or even a small SOL than a 12pdr 32/36! (Interestingly, sister Alliance was outfitted with 18pdr's, implying Confederacy was meant for them too.)
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    Thanks again for the extra info. I will take it on board.
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    Here is my first try out DB. Does this fit with your criteria?

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    I'd say take Essex down to Veer 7, but other than that it's ready for the Stats Committee to start testing. If I'm wrong about the live oak, no biggie, we just take off one of the rear boxes. :) The War of 1812 version will be considerably more powerful, but I thought it best that we focus on trying to get a "baseline" version right first to give us a platform to build on.

    Actually, I'm about to start a Historical Discussions topic gathering whatever plans of 12pdr and 18pdr American frigates I can round up...
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    Veer 7 it will be then sir.
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    Don't 'sir' me, old friend, I work for a living too. :) Or so my Old Sarge grandfather would say...

    EDIT: You have a thread in the Stats Wardroom, BTW. :)
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    Sorry DB. Just treating you with the respect that your new exalted position deserves from a mere secretary to the Navy Board.
    I remain your very humble and wheedling servant (Uriah Heap.)

    Begging your pardon, I meant to say Jas Bligh.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Modified to fit your stats for the 1810 ship better. I will now do an early version for the back of the mat.
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    Last edited by Bligh; 10-28-2020 at 03:20.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Before the latest waves the sum of burden and veer was usually 10 and if the ship was rally big or small it could have the sum of 9.

    I think that was a quite good rule of thumb.

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    Here is the 1799 mat. Does that do it or shall I make further mods?
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    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Rob, I think that's a Playtest Candidate if the Committee agrees! :)
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    I do.

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    Thanks chaps. We just need to hear from Dave Manley, but I have to thanke Db, Texas and Dobbs for useful input. I may have found my niche. You give me the stats and I knock out the mats to your specs. If I can be granted access to add things to the Files we can put the accepted ones there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Thanks chaps. We just need to hear from Dave Manley, but I have to thanke Db, Texas and Dobbs for useful input. I may have found my niche. You give me the stats and I knock out the mats to your specs. If I can be granted access to add things to the Files we can put the accepted ones there.
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