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    Default the Constitution

    I received this model the other day and looking at it it seems a bit too big for a frigate. Is this me or is it out of scale to the other Ares ships?

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    It is slightly oversize, because of a typo in an early edition of British Warships in the Age of Sail that I used as a reference when I was doing research to help with planning and development; by the time I caught it, there wasn't time to fix it before production.

    Connie is oversize, Waves 3/4 undersize... it makes things a bit awkward if you're trying to do serious scale modeling.
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    Thanks for responding. It just looked a bit off when putting it beside a British frigate. It is not going to affect my gameplay.

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    I wanna say she's about 10 scale feet overlength, might be 20. We're talking about a 175' frigate at a time when 2-decker 74-gun SOL's were around 165-170', so ideally a Humphreys Superfrigate should slot in midway between Bellona and Victory.
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    I am always thrown off by how large the Constitution actually is in comparison. I made this chart based on the ships in Naval Action to help me envision the sizes. I think the developers keep everything pretty true to scale.

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    In essence you could almost think of Constitution as a very long, very thin (and thus fast and maneuverable) 64-gun SOL.
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    Agreed, a more direct visual

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    That is a very neat way of showing the examples of the debate about the size of ships which has rumbled on for as long as it is since the second series came out of harbour. A lot of advice has been given both to shipmates here and to Ares by people involved in the stages of getting the ships correct. Both Dave Manley and DB have put in a huge amount of research to help in this as each ship was envisioned and produced, but production errors still creep in as DB has told us on a number of occasions. It is often too late in the process of manufacture to change these annomolies. It is ,therefore, very good to have your visual on the sizes Alex.
    Thanks for posting this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newtzilla View Post
    I am always thrown off by how large the Constitution actually is in comparison. I made this chart based on the ships in Naval Action to help me envision the sizes. I think the developers keep everything pretty true to scale.

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    This is awesome Alex. Do you have a higher resolution picture of this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    That is a very neat way of showing the examples of the debate about the size of ships which has rumbled on for as long as it is since the second series came out of harbour. A lot of advice has been given both to shipmates here and to Ares by people involved in the stages of getting the ships correct. Both Dave Manley and DB have put in a huge amount of research to help in this as each ship was envisioned and produced, but production errors still creep in as DB has told us on a number of occasions. It is often too late in the process of manufacture to change these annomolies. It is ,therefore, very good to have your visual on the sizes Alex.
    Thanks for posting this.
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    Nice overview, Alex.

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    What's the best way to share files (post in the files section?), the resolution was lowered when I uploaded it?

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    Hi Alex.
    You will have to PM Keith about that one. Only he handles the files section.
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    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Full size images in the zip below. I also have one with them stacked and the names removed. For reference, the 3rd Rate is the Bellona, Pirate Frigate is the Russian Cherubim, Snow is the Ontario and the Brig is the Fair American.

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    Thank you Alex!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newtzilla View Post
    Full size images in the zip below. I also have one with them stacked and the names removed. For reference, the 3rd Rate is the Bellona, Pirate Frigate is the Russian Cherubim, Snow is the Ontario and the Brig is the Fair American.

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    I like the stacked version, but could you do a version with names too, please? This would be excellent for a chart to help Ares sort out what is/isn't a pressing need for a new sculpt. Also, I can feed you a metric crapload of original draughts if you're interested in building on this... :)
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    Apologies as these aren't SoG ships, but I wanted to do a quick comparison of the Warlord sculpt of the Constitution vs. others in their line (and test out a new lens on my camera). It points out DB's comment: "In essence you could almost think of Constitution as a very long, very thin (and thus fast and maneuverable) 64-gun SOL".

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    A very interesting comparison Jim, and no worries about them not being Ares. We are a very open minded community as you know. it is always good to get a different perspective on the sculpts available.
    Rob.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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