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    Quote Originally Posted by David Manley View Post
    Plastic models cost a fortune to set up (a sprue / frame costs in the region of £25,000) so they are only going to be used for volume sellers, items in starter sets etc. There is a minimum size for resin to be a practical proposition, and spun cast white metal works well for smaller items.
    This has been repeated a number of times on their Facebook page, but folks don't seem to get it? Unfortunately, from my experience the metal casting for the masts is pretty bad. I have no issues with the anchors, boats, stern galleries, etc., but the bendable nature of the masts is disappointing. I'm not a metallurgy expert, but isn't there some way to make white metal less flexible, but also not breakable?
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    GHQ makes a nice xebec, although it is in 1/1200 scale.

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    As Xebecs came in all sizes I don't think that would be too much of a problem to fit in Bill. My Langton Xebecs seem to work with the Ares Sloops and Frigates O.K.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Thanks for the info chaps.
    I won't be indulging in the larger scales myself. Even with my Wargames Armies I am gradually downsizing to 15mm.
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    I’ve been painting 15mm over Christmas and new year’s. Adding to my GNW army.
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    Very nice Jonas!!

    Most of my Napoleonic collection is 15mm, except for the 1815 armies for the 100 days in 6mm. ( I can no longer see that scale to paint it!)

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    Warlord Games just posted some preview photos for upcoming ships to be added to the existing Black Seas line. 64s, Santa Ana 1st rate, gun ketch and 4th rates. These are all preproduction images, but they've increased the mast details and it even looks like the yards have been moved more forward from the masts? Some of the older ships are included in these previews for size comparisons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmoss View Post
    Warlord Games just posted some preview photos for upcoming ships to be added to the existing Black Seas line. 64s, Santa Ana 1st rate, gun ketch and 4th rates. These are all preproduction images, but they've increased the mast details and it even looks like the yards have been moved more forward from the masts? Some of the older ships are included in these previews for size comparisons.
    They do look better. They need to step up their game with all the 3d printers out there now. Jim have you read WL new shipping policy? $50 minimum order to the US. I usually order bits and bobs from them or sprues and get their sets at conventions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeRuyter View Post
    They do look better. They need to step up their game with all the 3d printers out there now. Jim have you read WL new shipping policy? $50 minimum order to the US. I usually order bits and bobs from them or sprues and get their sets at conventions.
    Oh, yes, the Warlords shipping policy is causing quite a stir on Facebook. More than one person has said they're done with Warlords. And it's not just US customers as this issue is impacting EU customers as well as others across the globe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmoss View Post
    Oh, yes, the Warlords shipping policy is causing quite a stir on Facebook. More than one person has said they're done with Warlords. An it's not just US customers as this issue is impacting EU customers as well as others across the globe.
    Yes I sent them a rather stiff email earlier this week as well -- I order a number of smaller items from them like bases for my new Sharp Practice and Infamy, Infamy armies not to mention my daughter gave me 2 Black Seas starter sets for Christmas that I wanted to augment -- but not with the shipping policies they now have in place.

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    Doesn't help that prices on everything petroleum and petrochemical (including plastics, fertilizers and transportation fuels) have jumped 30% in the past six months... Why is not the realm of this discussion, the fact that that IS a very big cost driver is relevant though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wentworth View Post
    Yes I sent them a rather stiff email earlier this week as well -- I order a number of smaller items from them like bases for my new Sharp Practice and Infamy, Infamy armies not to mention my daughter gave me 2 Black Seas starter sets for Christmas that I wanted to augment -- but not with the shipping policies they now have in place.
    Oh very nice. I don't mine a price increase per se but I rarely make a large enough order to even qualify. Germans for Infamy Infamy are in the painting que for me. At the latest Virtual Lard last weekend someone ran a Lord of the Rings version of Infamy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmoss View Post
    Oh, yes, the Warlords shipping policy is causing quite a stir on Facebook. More than one person has said they're done with Warlords. An it's not just US customers as this issue is impacting EU customers as well as others across the globe.
    I had a little back and forth with someone affiliated with WL on twitter who was quite vociferously defending them, blaming Brexit and the USPS! He never responded to my comment about the order minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeRuyter View Post
    I had a little back and forth with someone affiliated with WL on twitter who was quite vociferously defending them, blaming Brexit and the USPS! He never responded to my comment about the order minimum.
    Not to belabor the side topic, but if I read some of the Facebook comments correctly they (meaning Warlords) haven't yet figured out how they're going to apply new Value Added Taxes once those have been calculated post Brexit!? I'm afraid it's only going to get worse. As Rob has mentioned elsewhere we can be glad that 3D printing is coming into its own with all the worldwide issues impacting us these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmoss View Post
    Not to belabor the side topic, but if I read some of the Facebook comments correctly they (meaning Warlords) haven't yet figured out how they're going to apply new Value Added Taxes once those have been calculated post Brexit!? I'm afraid it's only going to get worse. As Rob has mentioned elsewhere we can be glad that 3D printing is coming into its own with all the worldwide issues impacting us these days.
    Frankly, my suspicion is that once the technology matures to give finer resolutions, traditional miniatures manufacturing will be on borrowed time. The craftsmen will just print their own and the prepaint-preassembled market will contract to those demanding higher fidelity at premium prices, just as we're seeing with the slow death of traditional scale modeling and model railroading.
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    I've made a load of 3D models of 1/300 and 1/600 WW2 costal forces craft which I was putting up for free on some of the Facebook naval groups. I've stoped doing that now as one of my friends said things like that were likely to put him out of business.

    Model railways I think are a bit harder to manage in 3D modelling, at least as far as locomotives are concerned. But I have seen some lovely 3D printed carriage, wagon and loco bodies so I agree it is a matter of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Manley View Post
    I've made a load of 3D models of 1/300 and 1/600 WW2 costal forces craft which I was putting up for free on some of the Facebook naval groups. I've stoped doing that now as one of my friends said things like that were likely to put him out of business.

    Model railways I think are a bit harder to manage in 3D modelling, at least as far as locomotives are concerned. But I have seen some lovely 3D printed carriage, wagon and loco bodies so I agree it is a matter of time.
    Main barrier for modern American types is the chassis; EMD and GE each have standard "building block" components that stack onto different frames to build up different models. Even the old "Covered Wagons" of the '50s, the hard part is the cab and nose compound-curves, everything behind the cab door is basically a slab of sheet material. OTOH, a California company 3d-printed a fully functional Colt .45 out of Inconel a few years ago and they still haven't stressed it to breaking in test-fire yet, so... it's a matter of time, and realistic expectations about what can be done as a single piece vs what needs to be done as separately fabricated components with a human assembler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmoss View Post
    Oh, yes, the Warlords shipping policy is causing quite a stir on Facebook. More than one person has said they're done with Warlords. And it's not just US customers as this issue is impacting EU customers as well as others across the globe.
    I guess things will get even more exciting when the EU brings in the same rules in the Summer :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeRuyter View Post
    Oh very nice. I don't mine a price increase per se but I rarely make a large enough order to even qualify. Germans for Infamy Infamy are in the painting que for me. At the latest Virtual Lard last weekend someone ran a Lord of the Rings version of Infamy!
    Eric --I'm just getting started on painting for Infamy, Infamy, but on the Lard front I am pretty far along for Sharp Practice forces for French & Indian War and American Civil War -- here are some pics:

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    Perhaps if Historicon ever happens again, we could meet up there for some Lard action....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wentworth View Post
    Eric --I'm just getting started on painting for Infamy, Infamy, but on the Lard front I am pretty far along for Sharp Practice forces for French & Indian War and American Civil War -- here are some pics:


    Perhaps if Historicon ever happens again, we could meet up there for some Lard action....
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    Very nice! Love those grenadiers! Yes indeed let's keep our fingers crossed for November! It will be in Valley Forge which should make it a bit of a shorter drive from NY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeRuyter View Post
    Very nice! Love those grenadiers! Yes indeed let's keep our fingers crossed for November! It will be in Valley Forge which should make it a bit of a shorter drive from NY!
    I've got my room lined up already for November -- it has been quite some time since I have been to Valley Forge. Playing my first game of Sharp Practice on April 16 -- French & Indian War.

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    I am impressed by your F&IW troops Bill. Also their armoured support vehicle to the rear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wentworth View Post
    I've got my room lined up already for November -- it has been quite some time since I have been to Valley Forge. Playing my first game of Sharp Practice on April 16 -- French & Indian War.
    It is about a 45 minute drive for me depending on traffic so I can forego the room. Maybe we can meet up at the show. I am debating whether to run a Coastal Patrol game or Kiss Me Hardy (using SoG ships) or maybe both. Sharp Practice is a great game. So is Chain of Command (noticing your armor there).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeRuyter View Post
    It is about a 45 minute drive for me depending on traffic so I can forego the room. Maybe we can meet up at the show. I am debating whether to run a Coastal Patrol game or Kiss Me Hardy (using SoG ships) or maybe both. Sharp Practice is a great game. So is Chain of Command (noticing your armor there).
    Lets stay in touch -- perhaps we can coordinate a Sharp Practice encounter that weekend. Please let me know when your games are scheduled at Historicon so I may sign up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    I am impressed by your F&IW troops Bill. Also their armoured support vehicle to the rear.
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    Thanks Rob -- I'm new to Sharp Practice but the appeal is great in that you can play many different musket periods without a great investment for figures (since its a skirmish game there are 40-100 figures per side). I am going down to Mythicos in Mahwah, New Jersey on Friday to meet my friend Chris to play Sharp Practice -- my first in person war game in over a year! Mahwah is an Iroquois word that roughly translates as "future site of a really terrific war game shop".... Since its a French and Indian War game I've been building woodland terrain like crazy (see photo below). I've also been building American Civil War forces for a future Sharp Practice game. I know that is one of your periods of interest so here are a couple of photos of those forces as well ( Iron Brigade and Hood's Texans). Sharp Practice is applicable to the American War for Independence, Napoleonics, American Civil War, French and Indian War, and Indian Mutiny (among others). I plan to dabble in many of them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wentworth View Post
    Lets stay in touch -- perhaps we can coordinate a Sharp Practice encounter that weekend. Please let me know when your games are scheduled at Historicon so I may sign up!
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    Will do.

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    They look great Bill.
    My ACW troops are all 15mm but I have not painted in that scale since my eyes went.
    Must have them out for a game shortly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    They look great Bill.
    My ACW troops are all 15mm but I have not painted in that scale since my eyes went.
    Must have them out for a game shortly.

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    My eyes are going too! Hence the move to 28mm. Many years ago I was in a year long campaign game in 15mm ACW, so I have many 100's of figures in that scale as well -- here are my 15mm Pennsylvania Bucktails and 15mm Hood's Texans;

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    Now I really need to look mine out Bill.
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    I am playing French and Indian War Sharp Practice on Friday -- I haven't played this period for decades, since I lived in Pittsburgh and used the Sword and the Flame variant for the period. The Pittsburgh area is a hot bed of historical sites related to what we in the states call the French and Indian War and what the rest of the world calls the Seven Years War --the first great world war that grew out of a backwoods dispute outside of Pittsburgh, that raged across multiple oceans and multiple continents.
    For those interested here are some links to sites in and around the Pittsburgh area related to this first great world war (I've visited them a number of times):

    Jumonville Glen -- where a young George Washington ambushed a French party starting the whole bloody affair:
    https://www.nps.gov/articles/jumonville-glen.htm

    Fort Necessity -- where the British and allied forces made their last stand against the French and Indians:
    https://www.nps.gov/fone/index.htm

    Braddock's Grave Site -- where the British commanding officer was quickly buried on the hasty retreat (he has since been reburied in the UK):
    https://www.nps.gov/fone/braddockgrave.htm

    Fort Ligonier:
    https://www.fortligonier.org/

    Fort Pitt Blockhouse (Fort Pitt [then called Fort Duquesne by the French] was the original objective of the mission):
    http://www.fortpittblockhouse.com/

    Fort Pitt Museum:
    https://www.heinzhistorycenter.org/fort-pitt/

    Bushy Run Battlefield:
    https://bushyrunbattlefield.com/

    A modest drive North of where I now live in the Hudson River Valley are other sites related to the war. This is the area where James Fenimore Cooper set his Leatherstocking Tales (The Pathfinder, The Deerslayer, and most famously The Last of the Mohicans):

    Fort William Henry -- (made so well known in Last of the Mohicans):
    https://www.fwhmuseum.com/

    Fort Ticonderoga:
    https://www.fortticonderoga.org/

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