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    Default Principio Iron Furnace

    During the American Revolution, Principio was one of the few places in the Country (to be) that could produce cannon. It's a few miles from our house. It was burned by the British during the War of 1812.

    I bought this fort from Brigade sans cannons, and have taken it upon myself to produce 32 pdrs for it. This is my prototype. I'm going to try to go smaller.

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    It's built with a bit of U-channel for the carriage and round rods for the wheels and barrel.
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    I think I've finalized my design. The cannon in the foreground is the newest cannon.

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    To demonstrate my further reducing the size, the left one is the new one.

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    Very impressive Dobbs.
    Those are just what every ship model converter needs to add verisimilitude to the upper deck especially if you can reduce them even more. Well done that man. Now about those upper deck Carronades?
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    I also have that fort Dobbs so the guns you made are very interesting for me, I was goint to go to Langton but may now have a go myself

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    I shall put up a "How To Make Very Small Big Cannons" shortly, including the plastic sizes I used. Do you folks on the other side of the Pond have access to the company Evergreen Plastics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Now about those upper deck Carronades?
    Bligh.
    I think I could manage Nelson's 68 pdrs easily enough...

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    A How to would be very useful Dobbs.
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    Great tiny work!

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    Great modelling, Dobbs!

    I did a Google search and found a company called 'Scale Model Shop', which stocks Evergreen Plastics materials. https://www.scalemodelshop.co.uk/pro...ount=24&page=3

    So do Hattons https://www.hattons.co.uk/products/c...plastic-shapes

    Nexus Modelling supplies https://www.nexusmodels.co.uk/buildi...-plastics.html

    Waltons Models http://shop.waltonsmodels.co.uk/index.php?cPath=107_148

    Elite Models https://www.elitemodelsonline.co.uk/...rgreen-Plastic

    and probably many more.
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    Very useful Dave.
    I have added it to the Sticky Useful addresses.
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    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    I used to see Evergreen here in Sweden back in the time when railway model shops were still around. That hobby apparently moved to the internet.

    I made carronades in my HMS Indefatigable rebuild. https://sailsofglory.org/showthread.php?3090-Raz%E9e

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    Principio is once again casting really tiny cannons. I've got enough for this fort and a martello tower in the works at the moment, but the big challenge is going to be supplying Ft McHenry, which is currently being on it's way across the Atlantic!

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    My Brigade Fort Lupin and guns came from Pico Armor here in the states

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbs View Post

    Principio is once again casting really tiny cannons. I've got enough for this fort and a martello tower in the works at the moment, but the big challenge is going to be supplying Ft McHenry, which is currently being on it's way across the Atlantic!
    Do you have a web address for them Dobbs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Do you have a web address for them Dobbs?
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    Sorry, Rob, I was afraid there might be some confusion. I make the little cannons from scratch with bits of plastic rod and channel. Principio Furnace is a historic ironworks across the way from my house that played a part in the AWI and 1812.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principio_Furnace

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    The battery continues to grow...note the cannon handling device in the background. Much time has been lost trying to find dropped 32 pounders among the dust bunnies of my workshop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbs View Post
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    The battery continues to grow...note the cannon handling device in the background. Much time has been lost trying to find dropped 32 pounders among the dust bunnies of my workshop.
    I know what you mean there Dobbs. I fumble finger small parts all of the time and lose them. Sometimes I'll find one days or weeks later in the most unusual place and wonder how it could have traveled so far. Where did you get your fort Lupin?

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    Right Dobbs.
    I knew you had been doing your own. Those look so good I just thought you had found a supplier.

    I now have found the supplyer Dave suggested, Waltons Models http://shop.waltonsmodels.co.uk/index.php?cPath=107_148

    My question now is what size of U do you use and what dia rod for barrels and wheels.
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    Cannons in various stages of construction.

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    The parts used. 0.030" is the barrel. 0.020" makes the wheels.

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    Thanks Dobbs.
    I will order some of those tomorrow.
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    Did your spellcheck help you, Vol? I can't find a reference for a Fort Lupin.

    My fort came from Brigade Miniatures, Fort Louvois.

    http://www.brigademodels.co.uk/SmallScaleScenery/French Coastal Forts/SSS-8039.html

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    Langtons also do that fort you are after at 1:1200.Vol. Would you like me to send you one? I have one myself and it looks good on the coast. Also found brigades Fort Lupin.

    http://www.brigademodels.co.uk/Small.../SSS-8040.html

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    Aha! So that's Fort Lupin!

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    Here I tried painting a brass muzzle, but I don't think there's enough contrast. Plus, I imagine brass 32 pounders were probably kind of rare.

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    I believe that Admiralty Brass had a large quantity of Bronze added to prevent corrosion, but Dave Manley could probably put us right on that one Dobbs. I will look it up.

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    That did not take long.
    I found this Dobbs.

    Another such material is gunmetal, from the family of red brasses. Gunmetal alloys contain roughly 88% copper, 8-10% tin, and 2-4% zinc. Lead can be added for ease of machining or for bearing alloys.

    "Naval brass", for use in seawater, contains 40% zinc but also 1% tin. The tin addition suppresses zinc leaching.

    A touch of redish brown ink wash should give you the right look on the brass barrel then.
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    Here is a bit on the Jamestown Bronze cannon too. A bit over oxidized for your needs though Dobbs. It does, however, make for an interesting read. I did not see it when we were in Jamestown.

    https://www.historyisfun.org/exhibit...bronze-cannon/

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    Ah, what a pleasure, reading about sakers. I did so much work making an Elizabethan sailing game before discovering SoG. Sakers, culverins, demi-culverins. Such a civilized time...

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    Our Regimental gun we used to have in the Sealed Knot was a Saker Drake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbs View Post
    Ah, what a pleasure, reading about sakers. I did so much work making an Elizabethan sailing game before discovering SoG. Sakers, culverins, demi-culverins. Such a civilized time...
    I once had an interest in Elizabethan sailing - Armadas and Sir Francis Drake! I downloaded a set of rules from The Perfect Captain called Spanish Fury: Sail. Free rules with paper ships. Sadly their website is down but the rules are available on their Facebook group:

    https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamep...erfect-captain

    Also I just bought a set called "War by Sail" which starts with Elizabethan warfare and goes through the War of 1812 with comprehensive lists for various periods.

    https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/...63%20to%201812.

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    I love the look of 16th and 17th ships, but when I think of sailing characteristics and firing rates, I think it would be hard to find willing playmates.

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    I well remember our Saker Drake getting off about one shot every two minutes, on land with no perceptable recoil. Not a good omen!
    Even the Frame gun only fired about once a minute.
    As for the sailing qualities of those early ships I will defer to your superior knowledge. all I have to go on are the reports of how badly the Spanish Armada faired against our ships and that may well be coloured in favour of the sailing characteristis of the British ships for political reasons!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbs View Post
    Did your spellcheck help you, Vol? I can't find a reference for a Fort Lupin.

    My fort came from Brigade Miniatures, Fort Louvois.

    http://www.brigademodels.co.uk/SmallScaleScenery/French Coastal Forts/SSS-8039.html
    You are right Dobbs, I have both forts and mixed them up

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