Demologos Project

[DeRuyter]

Dave, are you implying that there are models, they're just not affordable? Where would I find these? What's your favorite set of pre-dreadnought rules?

I am sure Dave has a lot of resources for ships and can comment on rules far better than I can; however, here are the models that I have been tempted by ever since I played a Manila Bay scenario onboard the USS Olympia:

http://www.wtj.com/wtj0144.html

They are 3d printed in a number of scales - $5.75 for a 1/2400 Olympia to give an idea of price.

They also have 2 set of rules one a fast play and one that is more detailed.

http://www.wtj.com/store/index_gaming_rules.html

They also have a pre-dreadnought painting guide on the site as well. I have been thinking doing Spanish-American war in 1/1500 scale ($10.75 for Olympia), but it is far down the project queue!

Eric

[Bligh]

Looking out for pre dreds at Partizan at the weekend I found this one on the Old Glory stand.



Here is a comparison with the one I made earlier.



Rob.

[David Manley]

Dave, are you implying that there are models, they're just not affordable? Where would I find these? What's your favorite set of pre-dreadnought rules?

There are many 1/1200 and 1/1250 scale models available from the various German model manufacturers but they tend to be (a) fragile - albeit lovely - and (b) very expensive.

Most of my pre-dread colection is in 1/3000 from Navwar, Skytrex and WTJ. Favourite set of rules? These :)



(the rules are also included in my Russo Japanese campaign pack)

Fr more detailed games, these.....

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/...s-pre-dreadnou

[Capn Duff]

Did not Skytrex have a range of predreadnoughts ?

[David Manley]

They did a load of 1860s and 1870s ships, mainly RN and French. I don't think they extended to predreads

[Dobbs]

Demologos now has all her guns, but I'm trying to decide if the muzzles should be shorter. I'd be interested in any feedback. More pictures can be available.

[Dobbs]

This one shows the guns better.

[Bilge Rat]

They look fine to me. What an awesome build you have there. Excellent. I have trouble building things in 1/35 scale, I can't imagine doing stuff that size.

[Bligh]

If you were picky you could shorten them a bit, but I am of the opinion of Lord Nelson. I'ts too late to be shifting a coat now Hardy.
It looks just the ticket to me Dobbs.
Rob.

[TexaS]

They look a little long, but the question is if it's going to bother you. It's not a small job to cut them.

[Redcoat]

Demologos is proceeding at about the rate that it took to build the original ship, but I'm getting close. Only the guns and smoke remain. Speaking of smoke, I'd appreciate any insights from my fellow modelers on how to make convincing smoke. Since she would have burned coal, with no forced draft, it would have been a lazy black smoke coming out of the stacks.

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Hello Dobbs, it's a very beautiful boat. The finishes are very clean and a good modeling work.

[Redcoat]

Glad to be of service to you for once Dobbs, after all you have given to the Anchorage in advice and help to myself. it seems a very little thing to do in return.
The pre-dreadnaught is actually a scratch build from an old Dreadnaught hull I had. I cut down the bows to a more bluff point, and added an extra thickness to the waterline to build the ram at the front. All the ships boats, ventilators, secondary armament and masts were out of my odds and sods box. Upper works, plasticard, and the main turrets are turned aluminium. with two diameters of brass tube which fit inside each other for the gun barrels.
The two masts and rigging lines actually unplug for storage.

Rob.

Rob, you've done an exquisite modeling work.

[Bligh]

Very kind of you to say Julián, but it pales into insignificance when compared with what Dobbs has achieved.

Rob.

[Dobbs]

Very kind of you to say Julián, but it pales into insignificance when compared with what Dobbs has achieved.

Rob.

I don't know, I really like your scratch built pre-dreadnaught. What's the name of the kit?

[Redcoat]

Both works are noted to have been elaborated with thoroughness. Therefore, congratulations to both of you.

[Bligh]

I don't know, I really like your scratch built pre-dreadnaught. What's the name of the kit?

Not sure where I got the hull Dobbs. I had it for years in my spares box. I added two layers of plasticard to lengthen it and give it more draft. Then filed the top of the bow ram.

The boat deck was built with plasticard walls and top, as was the first tier of the flying bridge.
The aft control position much the same.
Main turrets were aluminium rod turned and parted off on the lathe. Gun barrels made from two diameters of brass tube one inserted into the other. Secondary guns from Navwar I believe.
The ventilators were from various bits and old ship parts.
Boats from Langtons. Funnels from the original kit.
Masts a combination of the bits box, turned parts and silver soldered steel wire for the cross trees.

The kit in the foreground is from Old Glory.

Rob.

[Volunteer]

I love how the gunports turned out Dobbs! Excellent model overall. I had never read about this ship before now.

[Comte de Brueys]

Great scratch buildt model!

[Clipper1701]

They did a load of 1860s and 1870s ships, mainly RN and French. I don't think they extended to predreads

I know a guy playing around with these, a whole Jutland collection he is half there . . .

[Bligh]

Now that certainly is a whole lot of shipping Dave.
Rob.

[Dobbs]

I know a guy playing around with these, a whole Jutland collection he is half there . . .

Okay, I have a weakness for dreadnaughts too. Very impressive, David!

Am I right that those are all scratch builds? What's the average length of one of your dreadnaughts?

[Dobbs]

Thank you, gentlemen, for the kind words and Rep.

[Dobbs]

At long last, the Demologos is done!







Here, she appears with my American squadron.

[Comte de Brueys]

A real beauty, Dobbs.

Firepower?

[Bligh]

That is a real credit to your modelling skills Dobbs, Ready to take pride of place in any battle line.
Rob.

[Dobbs]

Now I just have to revise history so the War of 1812 extends to the summer of 1815 so she'll see some action. It should make things interesting on the Great Lakes too, with the 74's getting completed!

[Bligh]

Be careful what you wish for Dobbs.
After June 1815 50% of the British navy will be freed up to sail for the good old US.of A.
Rob.

[Dobbs]

Hang on, Napoleon! Hang on!

[Dobbs]

A real beauty, Dobbs.

Firepower?

She mounted 30 32 pounders. She couldn't carry anything more because it would have changed her waterline and made the paddle wheel less efficient.

[SeaDog7]

Very nicely done, sir! A beautiful ship indeed! Rep point!

[Bligh]

I have this on good authority from The Drome.

200 years ago today 1814.

The Demologos, the first steam-powered warship, launched in New York City.

[Dobbs]

I have this on good authority from The Drome.

200 years ago today 1814.

The Demologos, the first steam-powered warship, launched in New York City.

Well, it's true she was launched, but the fitting out of her extended beyond the (historic) end of the war.

[Comte de Brueys]

This one is independent from the wind, too.

Was there any kind of armor on the deck, or standart woodden planks?

[Bligh]

Just completed another Pre Dreadnought. I will do a How to for those interested in the next few days.



Rob.

[David Manley]

That's lovely :)

[Bligh]

Here is another shot of her Dave.



Rob.

[David Manley]

There is something really rather lovely about the Victorian navy colour scheme. One of our warship assessment analysis codes at work allows you to set different colours to parts of a ships structure or external equipment, so for fun one lunchtime we colourised a Type 23 as it would be if it had been painted in the 1880s. it looked lovely! Alas it was on a restricted system so no chance to download an image, but I am tempted to try it out on a 1/1200 model sometime

[Bligh]

Very imaginative Dave.
I would love to see that one sometime.
Rob.