What to do?
So I am putting together an instructional thread on taking a not available ship from dream to molded resin reality, but need a ship to base it on, any request? Hopefully a ship with a similar footprint for making several different ships if possible, any ideas?
How about the Culloden class ship of the line ?
A series of 8 x 74 gun vessels including one captured by the French, so you could get 9 different ships from the model.
Or the French ship Courageux here can have one French 74 but was used as the basis for the Courageux class of 6 x 74 gun ships for the Royal Navy.
Just a thought
Cool, any others?
For Trafalgar the Spanish Montanes class 80 gun ships, but only 4 in the class
I am with Chris on the Culloden class.
Any of you uther chaps suggestions.
What do you think DB? You have more info sifted on this than the rest of us.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
I'm not playing the game that much so will not offer up a ship choice, but as Rob suggested, you might want to see what's on DB's big chart of ships?
I'm just happy we've got a physical version of the Santisima Trinidad!
"It's not the towering sails, but the unseen wind that moves a ship."
–English Proverb
So it looks like the Culloden class, hearing little others at the time, drawings and details gathered, bring on the sea elves!!!!
Whoa! What's the deal, I just ran the numbers and details on the Cullodens and they are a match for the SOG 104 minis-length and beam and guns, why do we need new ships for these? Looks like a repaint here . . .
Hmmm . . . just dug out a box with some SOG resin bits I did a few years ago, based on the SGN104A, pressure cast a hull and several sets of sails . . . then packed it up and forgot all about the effort. This is the Culloden series . . .came out quite nice actually, I think I even did a thread on it back then . . . ah, the persistence of memory . . . now what to do?
Yes pressure cast resin sails, .01 thick . . . how did I do that?
That looks nice!
In what ways does it differ from the Elizabeth-class ship by Ares?
Hey David,
You could always take a Santisima Trinidad and remove a deck and make a proper size Santa Ana
How did we miss that one? guess we need to look elsewhere for ships with extensive matches then.Originally Posted by Clipper1701
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
I mentioned the Culloden class due to number of options, they were a bit smaller than the Elizabeths and a couple of classes after , only a couple of mm true but thought difference was enough.
If not my apologies.
No apology required! I was just looking to do something new from scratch that did not compete with Ares . . . I just have to try making those tiny gun ports all by myself : )
Personally, I don't think that's a bad idea at all. Like Jonas I'm not putting any of the Ares Merigildos onto the table. However, if Dave created a proper scaled one that would be a different story (Mejicano, Conde de Regla, Salvador del Mundo, Real Carlos, San Hermenegildo, Reina María Luisa and Príncipe de Asturias). Many of this ships that were also at Trafalgar. Just saying.Hey David,
You could always take a Santisima Trinidad and remove a deck and make a proper size Santa Ana
"It's not the towering sails, but the unseen wind that moves a ship."
–English Proverb
I second Cap Duff on the Spanish 80-gun Montanes class.
This looks marvelous. Pressure cast resin? Is that somewhat like the old Mattel Vacuuform Toy I had when growing up?Hmmm . . . just dug out a box with some SOG resin bits I did a few years ago, based on the SGN104A, pressure cast a hull and several sets of sails . . . then packed it up and forgot all about the effort. This is the Culloden series . . .came out quite nice actually, I think I even did a thread on it back then . . . ah, the persistence of memory . . . now what to do?
Yes pressure cast resin sails, .01 thick . . . how did I do that?
"It's not the towering sails, but the unseen wind that moves a ship."
–English Proverb
This could work then, not one of Ares efforts? Same dimensions as the ST but without the top deck . . . hmmmm
"Pressure casting" is something the elves developed by adding lots of weight onto the molds immediately after pouring the resin, bricks as I recall. The added pressure on the sail molds pushed excessive resin out of the molds yielding thinner sails. I think the process was first described in my HMS Audacious thread . . .
To be completely accurate you'd do them a mm or two smaller.
There are some ships we know ares won't do and that is those they already did but in the wrong scale, with the wrong masts and sails blowing in opposite directions.
I would also like a Spanish 80.
I wouldn't mind a 32 gun xebec frigate or a polacca settee either...
Slick, and thank you for the explanation. I'll check out your HMS Audacious thread, I was probably mia at the time?
"It's not the towering sails, but the unseen wind that moves a ship."
–English Proverb
Dave, just to be clear, Ares did versions of the Merigildos, but the scale is off. As Jonas said we know they wont do them over in the right scale, but I'd sure like them in the appropriate dimensions relative to the other ships (first and second waves).
Spanish 80's would be ok by me too. Rayo and Real Phoenix perhaps?
"It's not the towering sails, but the unseen wind that moves a ship."
–English Proverb
I would be equally happy with that suggestion.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
So I pulled info on the Santa Anna class and there are a good number to make. I am also going to do it from scratch, not using any Ares components so to stay clear of competitions. This will be a full build, sails, masts etc, so calling all elves! Any one with good images and sail plans etc, please post this week, once these elves get going . . .
I'll start looking. Here's a start from Vol's blog.
http://volsminiatures.blogspot.com/2...-rate-112.html
The PC sailing simulation game I've played (Naval Action) has this thread on their forums. Head to the bottom on the post and you should see some ship plans for this class.
http://forum.game-labs.net/topic/197...comment-404737
Last edited by Nightmoss; 04-05-2018 at 15:50.
"It's not the towering sails, but the unseen wind that moves a ship."
–English Proverb
Will check my books for you, will also check some of DB threads as I think he posted some plans somewhere
Thanks! I will be sifting thru it all. Just mailed 10 ST hulls across the globe from Australia to Sweden! Watch your mail boxes. : )
Oooooooohhhhhhh
Like a hawk I'll be watching. Thanks!
"It's not the towering sails, but the unseen wind that moves a ship."
–English Proverb
Whilst crunching the numbers on the Santa Ana class there are three different lengths in the class. Can someone tell me standard length on sailing ships, is it waterline length or overall from bow spirit to stern?
From what I've seen in books, online, etc., they often list lengths specifically, i.e. length of keel, gun deck length, length at waterline, beam and so on. Three Decks lists length of gun deck, breadth, depth in hold and burthen as standard measurements.
If you go here you'll get a long list of measurements specifically for Santa Ana (bringing up the issue of Burgos feet and inches by the way). If you open in Google Chrome it should translate the pages automatically.
https://www.todoababor.es/listado/navio-santaana2.htm
"It's not the towering sails, but the unseen wind that moves a ship."
–English Proverb
Thanks! The elves are cutting trees as we text . . .
Very cool. I do admire those elves!!
I hope others will jump in as I'm hardly an authority to be honest.
"It's not the towering sails, but the unseen wind that moves a ship."
–English Proverb
Hi, any news on this front or are they on a back burner
They are on the bench, rough cut awaiting a shipment of enthusiasm and energy. Fine motor skills are coming back after last week's joint injections. I did just finish a total redo of my shop as well, so maybe soon.
It looks as if you will be generating the most excitement we are going to get for some time Dave, so spinning it out until your hands are better could be a good thing to keep everyone on side. Nevertheless, I do hope that you recover your mobility quickly and that it is a complete success.
Rob.
The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.
Yes. It would be better to take your time and make it right than to just rush something out that has a lot of mistakes, not only in scale...
Ok, I dusted off the hull blanks, a pair are ready for contour carving. Pictures of that sequence are coming soon. I am also working on a process to texture the guns and gun ports that will make painting easier and give better results . . .
Looks like top row 15 gun ports, second row 16, and the bottom row 15 . . . Does this ring true? It is also hard to tell how many if any guns lurk in the stern upper deck . . . ?
Info I have shows Santa Anna
Lower gun deck 30 x 36 pdr so 15 ports
Middle gundeck 32 x 24 pdr so 16 ports
Upper gun deck 30 x 12 pdr so 15 ports
Quaterdeck & Focstle 18 x 8 pdr and poop 4 x 4pdr howitsers.
The pic I have is a side elevation plan shows 7 ports on the Quarter deck.
Hope your hands are feeling better Dave, was only curious as to ho they were coming along but your health and mobility is the prime issue.
Last edited by Capn Duff; 07-29-2018 at 07:03.
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