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    Hi Rob,
    I should have, will check out and let you know, which sloop box you after?

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    three more Franco Spanish to come, they need finishing off, later this week Ill get the RN ships done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capn Duff View Post
    Hi Rob,
    I should have, will check out and let you know, which sloop box you after?
    The particular Sloop will not matter Chris. I have two Brigs from Langton's that I want to box for safety so the sail pattern will be different anyway.
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    Just went and viewed those ships in your album Chris.
    They look mighty fine sir.
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    The Royal Navy responds


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    Now that is getting serious Chris.
    I'm going to need to re photograph my Navies to show them up to date.
    Rob.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Very impressive.

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    Added my last French ship, only need two more then have all for Trafalgar

    French 80 gun Neptune


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    I can only bow to you in admiration for your perseverance against all the trials and tribulations of assembling these Fleets. I am looking forward to playing in the action at Doncaster.
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    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    More for the fleets

    Rayo



    San Juan Nepomuceno



    HMS Revenge



    Formidable

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    The fleets are now well established, named ships I am missing the following

    British Fleet

    Leviathan 2-decker 74 (based on French Courageux)
    Conqueror 2-decker 74
    Minotaur 2-decker 74 (based on French Courageux)
    Colossus 2-decker 74 (based on French Courageux)
    Swiftsure 2-decker 74

    French Fleet

    Indomptable 2-decker 80 Non Official SGN115c

    Spanish Fleet


    Nuestra Señora de la Santísima Trinidad 4-decker until official model possibly use an Ocean class
    Argonauta 2-decker 80
    Neptuno 2-decker 80
    Monarca 2-decker 80
    Montañés 2-decker 80
    San Leandro 2-decker 64
    San Justo 2-decker 74 Non official SGN112a THis one currently being rigged so will be joining the fleet soon

    I am curently looking into what already released ships can be used for the missing, For the Spanish Montanes class I am possibly going to see if I can get some Stern castles from Langton for this class and replace them onto some Temeraires or Elizabeths, I am looking at my source books to see which is best fit.
    The French are only missing one now which I will see about obtaining as and when I can.
    British same as Montanes class checking into which is best fit.
    The only real issue is the Spanish 64 as we got nothing in this size Spanish wise so may have to steal one from the British or French. we will see
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    So when (and where) are we doing this?

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    Santissima should be much shorter than Ocean.

    Theoretically you should be able to add another deck on any Meregildos.

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    Been looking at a replacement for the Spanish 64 San Leandro

    Using Perter Goodwins Ships of Trafalgar San Leandro is gun deck 53.55 m keel 48m width 14.5 m so in scale

    Gundeck 53.5mm
    Keel 48mm
    Widest 14.5 mm

    Closest match SGN 109a

    Gundeck 50mm
    Keel 49mm
    Widest 13mm

    So unless anyone got a better idea, I think all that is needed is possibly a new stern from Langtons.
    Open to suggestions chaps

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    Interesting fact: Langton's Spanish stern gallery to first rates are too big for the Sails ships.

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    I wonder why that is considering the scale difference between the ships in the two ranges?
    DB help us in our hour of need!
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    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    My last Spanish ship ready

    San Justo 74


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    Yet another fine looking ship Chris.
    Well done that man.
    Rob.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Thanks Rob, though just noticed missed a bit of rigging which I will restore today

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    The new Santisima build



    Also been looking into the Spanish 64 San Leandro, according to Peter Goodwin The Ships of Trafalgar, the San Leandro was built to the samelines as the Bahama, looking at the stats Bahama Length of gundeck 53.55mm widest part 14.48, exactly the same as San Leandro. so if we prepared to accept Bahama we can get another one and we have San Leandro, just need to update the stats as its a 64 gun ship
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    That is a superb bit of news Chris.
    I will get onto that straight away before the lads buy them all up.
    Rob.
    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexaS View Post
    Interesting fact: Langton's Spanish stern gallery to first rates are too big for the Sails ships.
    Probably because Rod's models tended to follow a parallel sided arrangement aft of amidships rather than curving inwards towards the stern

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Manley View Post
    Probably because Rod's models tended to follow a parallel sided arrangement aft of amidships rather than curving inwards towards the stern
    That combined with the faulty scale on the Sails ships makes the 1:1200 too big for the 1:1000 ships.
    It's a pity since Langton's stern galleries are gorgeous and better than the standard Sails ones. At least they fit well on many others.

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    I have been looking into replacements for a few ships for this project.

    We are all aware of the descrepancy that has crept into the size of the ships, especially the last wave and the Spanish ships.

    Therefore I am going to, for my part, use the following due to not knowing what or even if a wave 5 is forthcoming, also personal circumstances may preculde me from partaking in any new release.

    Anyway,
    I have used The Ships of Trafalgar and British Warships in the age of sail, plus Threedecks as references.
    The following is an alternate model for the ships snd is not yet taking into account any change in stats which will be needed

    The following two are models slready released
    Spartiate. L182’. W49’
    Belleraphon L168’ W47’

    So we can use the Spartiate model as the following as we are talking a a couple of mm in our scale
    Colossus L 180’ W 49’
    Conqueror L 176’ W49’

    At a push
    Leviathan L172’ W48’
    Minataur L172’ W48’
    Swiftsure L173’ W47’

    If you can get one the Belleraphon can be used for below as only 1mm difference or the above at a push.
    Thunderer. L 170’ W47’


    So I will need another 2 temeraires, possibly 5.

    For the Spanish, well the current models are too small in comparison, but as they are the only ones we got we can use the Bahama model for the 4 montanes class and change the stats

    Bahama L53m W14m

    Montanes L54m W14m so within 1mm and rest of class similar so although not correct we can use until replacements made ( sorry momentary lapse there).

    So its up to you if you want to substitute

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    The Belleraphon is the same model as all British 74, Elizabeth-class etc.

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    Useful information Chris.
    I am now within having or on the way all but two of the British ships.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexaS View Post
    The Belleraphon is the same model as all British 74, Elizabeth-class etc.
    Yes Jonas, but in the UK these are now quite difficult to find unless you prepared to pay silly money, the two reference ships were used to show size and eidth so you can choose the best representation as you wish.
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    Yes, but you don't need to get one as HMS Bellona is the same model. If you want to make a repaint why choose the rare expensive version of the same model as for example HMS Superb and HMS Goliath?

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    I see your point Jonas, was just using the Belleraphon as an example for the length and width as it was at Trafalgar, so yes any Bellona model will do, apologies for any confusion.

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    Two more to be added to the fleets

    The French Indomptable



    The Spanish San Leandro 64, there is a seperate thread for the stats I am using as well as the ship log, insert etc



    I am now missing the four Spanish Montanes class 80gun SOL and a half dozen British ships.
    For these I am going to use 4 x Bahama's for the Montanes
    For the Brits 5 x Temeraires and 1 Elizabeth class, that is if I can find any at a reasonable price.

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    Fight you for them then Chris. With the one due to arrive tomorrow, I'm just four short now.
    2 Bordeaux/ Dougay for Mont Blanc and Heros plus whatever I choose for the Leviathan and Minotaur. That looks like it will be Belonas.

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    In my un-named box I have one each of a Temeraire, Bahama and Elizabeth, so I got three more from the missing 9
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    I just ordered two Spartiates from Entoyment so hopefully that just leaves two Duguay Trouins to get although I can't find them anywhere. Looks as if I may have to go States side again for those.
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    Well have now completed all the fleets ready for Doncaster.
    The last pics will be posted shortly. All bar 1 are official SoG models. I know that a number are not truly correct, the Spanish Montanes for example but I do believe at this scale they will be a close representation, close enough for me anyway.
    I intend to take a number of pics st the Doncaster con next weekend and see how my gameplan works, or doesnt, then all being wel, I shall liaise with DM to see about a possability of a full game at his pub venue in Oct or Nov. We will see want to try out the game mechanics first.

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    Right Chris.
    And I will provide the drinks as usual.
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    I'm looking forward to seeing your photos. I hope everyone has an enjoyable time!

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    I wish you alll a most successful Trafalgar mission in Doncaster and I'm curious for the AAR & the pictures.


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    Thanks shipmates. Chris and I are just sorry that you cannot be with us this year. I will put your Cognac to one side for you my dear Comte.
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    Thank you, Sir.

    Mutiple reasons keep me away from Doncaster this year.

    Beside this - situation in work intensified a little bit the last weeks because my deputy has massive problems with shiftwork/work at night and a reliable personal support isn't available before March 2019.

    So I'm content not to be forced to cancel my attendance in last minute.

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    My dear Comte,

    Here at the Admiralty we are very cognizant of your unfortunate position regarding the forthcoming event, and can empathize fully with your situation. We can only wish for your well being and success in your current difficult enterprise. We trust that we may avail ourselves of your excellent company and bonhomie in the not too distant future.

    Pp. Their Lordships of the Admiralty.

    Your obedient servant,

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    The starting set up for the Battle of Trafalgar at Doncaster.

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    The British fleet.

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    The French and Spanish fleet.

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    Here are the first of my pics of the Trafalgar game from Doncaster the weekend just gone.

    Complete Panorama of the battle



    The Allied center with the British approaching



    The front half of the Allied fleet, British in the background



    The rear of the Allied Fleet, the rear end of the British columns in the background



    Looking from north to South along the Franco Spanish Line, the two British columns to the right


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    More pics of the action will be forth coming

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    Great to see pictures!
    Whish I could have been there. At least I have just switched assignment at the job, so now I'm hoping for free time and no more working weekends. Time for more sails.

    Can hardly wait...

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    Incredible, Chris.

    A great project came to a realisation.

    The look on those ships in Doncaster given an inside view how it has been in the real battle. A horizont full of sails - thousands of mean ready to fight and a few captains holding the fate of their men and ships in hand.

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    And here is Chris being presented with the Admiral's prize for the best battle of the year.
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    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    I have added the game play special rules to post 5

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    Incredible looking game, well done Chris!

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    here is another of the Trafalgar ships, the 80 gun Neptuno



    The model is one of the Bahama types, using Peter Goodwins "Ships of Trafalgar" the difference between the Bahama and the Montanes class is almost, I say almost , negligible. The real issue is that I believe the actual Bahama model is shorter than it should be, but without other options I made do.
    so for the time being at least you can use a Bahama for the four Montanes ships. changing the stats slightly, if you are happy to accept the Bahama as is.

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    The last three Spanish ships

    Argonauta


    Monarca


    Montanes


    Yes these no totally correct but at least they are representative and worked.
    So thats all the spanish and French ships represented.

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