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    Records on Dutch ship design are incomplete or not readily accessible, so this table is going to start as largely boilerplate. The Dutch have never been mentioned to me by Ares as a priority, but I think if we can boil the Must Haves of the Dutch force at Camperdown, and the Danish fleet at Copenhagen, into a handful of sculpts each it just might be possible, assuming the management will exists, to slipstream them into future waves a sculpt or two at a time. Trafalgar will probably almost always be driving the bus, though, with Nile and 1812 frigate-duels also in the "priority" tier, so if they come it probably won't be fast until we have those three groups mostly petered out.

    Rate British Unsculpted Dutch Unsculpted
    First and Second
    Third SGN104 as Slade Lg 74: Triumph
    SGN104: Venerable, Russell, Monarch, Powerful
    SGN104 as Royal Oak 74: Bedford
    SGN104 as Alfred 74: Montagu
    W4 Ardent 64: Ardent, Belliqueux
    SGN104 as St Albans 64: Director
    Crown 64: Veteran
    ex-EIM 64's Lancaster, Monmouth, Agincourt
    Prins Willem de Eerste 74: Staaten Generaal, Brutus
    "Amsterdam 74's": Vrijheid, Jupiter
    68's Gelijkheid, Admiraal Tjerk Hiddes De Vries, Leijden, Cerberus, Haarlem
    Prins Frederik 66: Wassenaar
    64's Hercules
    Fourth SGN110: Adamant, Isis 56's Beschermer, Batavier, Alkmaar, Delft
    Fifth one-off 40 Beaulieu razee 44 Mars (ex-1784 68 Zevenwolden)
    44 Monnikkendam
    one-off? 36 Embuscade
    32 Heldin
    Sixth Enterprise 28: Circe 24's Minerva, Waakzaamheid
    Unrated 18 brigs Atalante, Galathee, Ajax, Daphne
    6 aviso Haasje
    Merchantmen
    Off the bat we can forget about little Haasje ever showing up, unless done as a Shapeways model and unofficial card.

    Dutch ships taken into the RN - will break down into individual class/family lines as data develops
    Rate Rating Design Dutch ships British/other (as noted) ships Poss. SKU's
    3 74 Prins Willem de Eerste Staaten Generaal, Brutus (FR) 1810 Brabant
    3 74 "Amsterdam 74's" Vrijheid, Jupiter, Washington, 2 more Vryheid, Camperdown, (hulked) Princess of Orange 2 Dutch/1 British, 1 leftover each
    3 68 one-off De Vries Admiraal Tjerk Hiddes De Vries Admiral de Vries half each--need to check dims for slipstreaming with De Ruyter
    3 68 De Ruyter Prins Frederik Willem->Gelijkheid, Leijden, De Ruyter, Cerbrus, Haarlem, Utrecht, Guelderland, 1783-94 Overyssel, Verwagting Gelikheid, 1799 Leyden, 1799 (prison) De Ruyter, 1799 Texel, Haarlem, 1799 Utrecht 4 Dut/3 British, 1 Dutch leftover
    3 66 Prins Frederik Prins Frederik->Revolutie, Wassenaar, Hercules Prince Frederick, Wassenaer, Delft 1 Dutch/1 British, 1 leftover each
    4 56 Alkmaar, Beschermer, Batavier 1798 Alkmaar, 1799 Beschermer, 1799 Batavier floating battery
    4 56 Brakel Brakel, Delft Brakel
    5 razee 44 Mars 1799 Vleiter
    5 44 Monnikendam
    6 36 Embuscade 1799 Ambuscade->Helder floating battery
    6 28 (12-pdr) Heldin 1799 Helder
    6 24 Minerva 1799 Braak
    6 24 "Amsterdam 24" Venus, 1768 Thetys, Waakzaamheid, Valk, Alarm, Dolphyn, Zeepaard, 1785 Thetys, Triton, Hoorn, Medenblik, possibly more 1798 Waaksaamheidt, 1799 Dolphin at least 5 Dutch/1 British
    U 18 brig Galathe, Ajax, Daphne 1799 Galathee
    U Hippomenes 18 ship-sloop Hippomenes, Atalante 1803 Hippomenes
    U 6 aviso Haasje
    Note: Within a given rating, ships not identified to a class or design are first, then the ones I've identified.

    Side Comment: The unclassified 56's and most others of their kind taken by the RN all cluster at very similar dimensions, and perhaps might fit as one sculpt. The two Brakels are about four feet longer.
    Last edited by Diamondback; 04-16-2017 at 12:07.
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