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    Default Ships name cards.

    I am processing sets of ships cards for my solo scenarios and wondered if they would be of interest to anyone else.
    I will post the first page here and add to them as I complete each sheet.





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    They actually print out at 60x 30 mm.
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    Now to the French.



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    The Spanish.


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    And finally the good old US of A.




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    I will add more ships to these sets as they come out if you show any interest.
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    Proserpine or Prosperine Rob?

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    Proserpine according to the box Neil.
    Thanks. But don't expect a replacement any time soon. I will change it for the Files.
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    How's that Neil.
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    Fine and dandy Rob.

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    A note about the American flag; I believe the one you chose was a reproduction of the Fort McHenry flag. I don't think the Americans used 15 stripes outside of that flag. I could be wrong....

    Also, doesn't the St Andrews cross sort of establish a date for the British?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbs View Post
    A note about the American flag; I believe the one you chose was a reproduction of the Fort McHenry flag. I don't think the Americans used 15 stripes outside of that flag. I could be wrong....

    Also, doesn't the St Andrews cross sort of establish a date for the British?
    The United States Congress' Flag Act of 1794 added two stars and stripes when Vermont and Kentucky were added as states to the original thirteen. The Flag Act of 1818 changed the flag back to 13 stripes for the original thirteen colonies while a new star would be added for each new state.

    The flag of 15 stars and stripes would be appropriate for the ships of the permanent standing United States Navy created by the Naval Act of 1794 and served through the War of 1812 and Second Barbary War, but not for the Continental Navy, which was disbanded after the American War of Independence.

    Also the 1781 sloop was named Atalanta instead of Atlanta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coog View Post
    Also the 1781 sloop was named Atalanta instead of Atlanta.
    Hi Bob

    I heard of the HMS Atalanta and a US merchantman, but not a US Sloop by that name. Would you please show me where I could find that information? Thanks.

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    Thanks Dave, I should have known better than to question Coog.

    PS So it would seem it was an American ship for only two months.
    Surprised that Ares even used that name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
    Hi Bob

    I heard of the HMS Atalanta and a US merchantman, but not a US Sloop by that name. Would you please show me where I could find that information? Thanks.
    Atalanta is the alternate ship for the Thorn model. Ares refers to her as USS Atalanta on their cards and elsewhere. But I agree with David, like Thorn, she was actually just called Atalanta. I don't believe the USS designation was used until sometime after the before mentioned Naval Act of 1794.

    United States ships also used designations such as USF for United States Frigate. It wasn't until 1907 when President Theodore Roosevelt made USS the only official designation in his Executive Order 549.

    "In order that there shall be uniformity in the matter of designating naval vessels, it is hereby directed that the official designation of vessels of war, and other vessels of the Navy of the United States, shall be the name of such vessel, preceded by the words, United States Ship, or the letters U.S.S., and by no other words or letters."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbs View Post
    A note about the American flag; I believe the one you chose was a reproduction of the Fort McHenry flag. I don't think the Americans used 15 stripes outside of that flag. I could be wrong....

    Also, doesn't the St Andrews cross sort of establish a date for the British?
    Hi Dobbs.
    I had a long think about both those things before I decided to produce the cards.
    From research on a couple of American sites the flag was stated to run up to 1816, so it fits with my requirements.
    Also for the British flag. I felt that the most obvious one was the current well known 1801 flag.
    I had no intention of reproducing all those flags twice. Likewise the use of the Bourbon flag.
    However, anyone may feel free to use and alter whatever flags they like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coog View Post
    Atalanta is the alternate ship for the Thorn model. Ares refers to her as USS Atalanta on their cards and elsewhere. But I agree with David, like Thorn, she was actually just called Atalanta. I don't believe the USS designation was used until sometime after the before mentioned Naval Act of 1794.
    More than that, she was never officially brought into US naval service, being captured and then recaptured by the RN a few weeks later.

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    Ill take a set each of those please Rob, could you do a couple of exras for my repaints please if I send you the names ?

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    For you Chris, how could I refuse.
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    Thanks Rob

    French ships

    America
    Temeraire
    Timoleon

    RN

    HMS Aboukir
    HMS Audacious
    HMS Amazon
    HMS Ambuscade
    HMS Berwick
    HMS Greyhound
    HMS Renown
    HMS Resolution
    HMS Shannon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Proserpine according to the box Neil.
    Thanks. But don't expect a replacement any time soon. I will change it for the Files.
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    Proserpine according to HISTORY. Is "Prosperine" even a word in ANY language?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Hi Dobbs.
    I had a long think about both those things before I decided to produce the cards.
    From research on a couple of American sites the flag was stated to run up to 1816, so it fits with my requirements.
    Also for the British flag. I felt that the most obvious one was the current well known 1801 flag.
    I had no intention of reproducing all those flags twice. Likewise the use of the Bourbon flag.
    However, anyone may feel free to use and alter whatever flags they like.
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    Hi Rob, thanks for setting me straight on the flags. As to the Bourbon flag, while I appreciate the historical significance, who wants a ship with a white flag?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbs View Post
    Hi Rob, thanks for setting me straight on the flags. As to the Bourbon flag, while I appreciate the historical significance, who wants a ship with a white flag?
    The French, to be sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Proserpine according to HISTORY. Is "Prosperine" even a word in ANY language?
    Probably why I got it wrong DB. It's the Classical Education you know.
    I have corrected it to the Ares spelling because the names are intended for the ships they have plus any conversions I have made.If anyone would prefer the alternative spelling please let me know and I will add it to the next set.
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    Trust me, I rode Roberto & Co. like a rented mule about spelling, and they got Proserpine right at least on their website.

    The real sticking point was Sybille/Sibylle... the I and Y traded places when the flags switched historically, an I'm not sure which side of the 50/50 coin-toss the miniatures landed on.

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    That's why I bit the bullet and went with their spelling DB, because for all you knowledgeable chaps who know the correct spelling and try so hard to put it right, I would have got a heck of a lot more flack from the ones who don't know and would have said that Ares and the cards don't spell it that way. I'd far sooner justify my reasons to you bright chaps than try and talk round a lot of Barrack room lawyers.
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    Handle 'em the way I did, Rob: "Got a problem with it, THERE'S THE DOOR." The version you have posted right now is the correct one.

    And for all the Turd-Sucking Munchkins out there, let me make things perfectly clear: "There is no such mother-@#%@#ing thing as a mother-$#^$#%#$%ing 'Prosperine'! Good God, take a $#%#%%@#ing History class and more importantly LEARN HOW TO %^$@^#$%#@ing READ AND SPELL!" (best delivered if you imagine my hands around somebody's throat or me bodily slamming them against the nearest wall every other syllable)

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    For anyone interested in the source of the name.....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proserpina

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    Also interesting to note that there have been six Proserpines in the Royal Navy as well as (more recently) a stone frigate

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    NSS.

    When I mentioned this it was due to the fact that the spelling that Rob initially used was Prosperine not Proserpine. So if your continuing rant is in my direction, then think again. I only pointed it out so Rob could correct the spelling before he published them in the file section.

    So how about a think before opening and closing said hands around said throat of someone trying to help someone else out.

    Or if you fancy, feather pillows at dawn behind the bike sheds; name your second.

    And as my good old Dad told me, sticks and stones son, sticks and stones.



    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Proserpine according to HISTORY. Is "Prosperine" even a word in ANY language?

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    Neil, for the record, if I'm ever in a situation where I need to Call Someone Out you can count on me to do it By Name--nothing personal at you intended, I'm just trying to ensure the point is driven home for the entire community so we can drive a stake through that little myth's heart Once and For All. :)

    I for one would like to *hope* that we don't harbor any TSMs in our midst... after all no matter how much Spreadsheet Gaming you do beforehand it's still a matter of Skill and Luck once the figures hit the table.


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    And let no one forget, this is just a game, for fun and enjoyment between friends.

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    NSS?

    TSM?

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    Got the NSS but what is TSM?

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    NSS is I'm guessing No Such Ship.

    TSM = Turd-Sucking Munchkin, the kind of rules-lawyering powergamer who makes you want to stick their head in the crapper and hit Flush... or worse.

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    Looks like we're still killing the Kings English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
    Looks like we're still killing the Kings English.
    I'm starting to regret that I ever published this set of cards.
    Rob.

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    Rob. let me make this perfectly clear: You did good, amigo. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    I'm starting to regret that I ever published this set of cards.
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    Never let a good deed go unpunished

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    I'm starting to regret that I ever published this set of cards.
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    Never let a good deed go unpunished

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    NSS: No S**t Sherlock

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    I dare not say now I always called it Prosperine, Strange what the brain tells you no matter how it spelt.
    DB i will make sure I call it proper like from now on , honest guv

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    Take command Sir! - Decide the spelling you want and go with it. Your good work here should be applauded

    3 cheers for Mr Bligh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Is "Prosperine" even a word in ANY language?
    Yes, in "American" - its a township in Missouri

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    Did give me an idea for a name for one of my Merchant ships. I may call her the "LadyJane Morris" in memory of this thread.
    Rob.

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    @Chris, we all have a few we struggle with--my administrative-assistant has dyslexia and there are a few things that permanently elude her, like for some reason her brain is hardwired to spell "Sergeant" with two A's instead of two E's.

    :)

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    That's very interesting DB.
    I wonder if it has anything to do with the shortened version being Sarge.
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    Not in the British Army Rob!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Union Jack View Post
    Not in the British Army Rob!
    I believe that DB's administrative-assistant may be American Neil, although this is not a given.
    Rob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Manley View Post
    Yes, in "American" - its a township in Missouri
    Prosperine, MO is so big (ha, ha), that it was not included in the last census.

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    Inhabitants one, an old fart wargamer with a SGN frigate model in his collection, the old guy continually wonders how they spelt the name of the ship wrong

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