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    Default Dutch Ships

    Ahoy!
    does anyone knows which of the currently available ships (if any) can be used as Dutch ship?
    thanks!

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    This website gives lists of Dutch warships. It seems that they built their own ships mainly,although they captured a few. Sadly there are no pictures.
    http://3decks.pbworks.com/w/page/915525/Holland

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    Thank you for the information. It is very useful

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    Those Dutch ships with a smaller depth of flotation would be a nice next series.

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    You mean in 2018-2020?

    Next year there'll be the Spanish 74, French 64, British 50 and a Spanish frigate?

    Then there'll be the pirates and merchants, probably in 2017-18.

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    All I have been able to come up with so far is.


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    and this East Indiaman.

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    Bligh.

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    Rob, the first picture looks like a LEGO ship.

    What internet sources do you use?

    Quote Originally Posted by TexaS View Post
    You mean in 2018-2020?

    Next year there'll be the Spanish 74, French 64, British 50 and a Spanish frigate?

    Then there'll be the pirates and merchants, probably in 2017-18.
    Do we have RELIABLE informations about the next ships (after USS Constitution HMS Victory), at the moment?

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    The reliable information is that the people that have been used to get names for previous releases have been asked by Ares to look for ship names for these types for wave 3. It's been said by Keith at Aerodrome Accessories that there will only be a "paper supplement" and no new models this year. He also commented on the pirates and merchantmen, but I can't remember how sure the wording was. All time estimates are naturally not reliable as they include China, and the further away the more unreliable they get.

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    Are the Lego kits well researched?
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    Don't know.
    All I put in was Dutch warships of the Napoleonic Wars. and aside from a few paintings which really did not give any detailed views this came up. Most of the pictures were of ships from the Anglo Dutch wars anyway with the much higher sterns, so I used this painting as the best of the bunch.
    Bligh.

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    Vol has made a number of Dutch ships. He is the man to ask
    Be safe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Don't know.
    All I put in was Dutch warships of the Napoleonic Wars...
    Ok - found it.
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    Hence the term Leggo aft and Leggo Forard.
    Bligh.

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    Actually the names are already locked on Wave 3, it's just that there isn't the production bandwidth and Ares feels there isn't the market support to push forward on any faster a schedule.

    Remember, we're the rabid vocal fanbase, not the mainstream customers...

    As for the Dutch, my notes show five captured or transferred Temeraires:
    1813 HDMS Admiraal Piet Hein
    1813 HDMS Prins Willem de Eerste
    1814 HDMS Nassau
    1814 HDMS Prins Frederik
    1814 HDMS Waterloo

    and 5 captured/transferred Pallas-class (which appear to be improved and up-gunned Hebes):
    1814 HDMS Ijssel
    1814 HDMS Maas
    1814 HDMS Amster
    1814 HDMS Koningen/Wilhelmina
    1814 HDMS Frederica Sophia Wilhelmina

    It's not much, but it's a start.

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    It's a fine start DB, and makes me wonder if the Dutch had a crystal ball, or were better informed than the British.
    Who would name a captured 74 after a little Belgian village a year before it became famous?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Hence the term Leggo aft and Leggo Forard.
    Bligh.
    You forgot: Leggo my Eggo!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    It's a fine start DB, and makes me wonder if the Dutch had a crystal ball, or were better informed than the British.
    Who would name a captured 74 after a little Belgian village a year before it became famous?
    Rob.
    That's a good question, Rob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    All I have been able to come up with so far is.


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    and this East Indiaman.

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    Bligh.
    They're both Indiamen. See the VoC ensign on the first one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comte de Brueys View Post
    Do we have RELIABLE informations about the next ships (after USS Constitution HMS Victory), at the moment?
    Yes, we do. Per Ares, names not yet authorized for release...
    SGN109 French 1765 Artesien and similar 64 - 4 French, 2 British
    SGN110 British Portland 50 - 4 British, 2 French
    SGN111 Spanish San Juan Nepomuceno and similar 74 - 4 Spanish, 2 British
    SGN112 Spanish Meregildos 112 - 6 Spanish
    I could have 111 and 112 backward, but at this point that's the Official Wave 3 Lineup. Unless something goes either catastrophically sideways and derails it, or a fundamental Market Change allows a faster schedule, that's what we can expect to see next year.

    At this point, the names are pretty well locked too, some I will candidly observe from my perspective With Reservations, just that I don't think we've got a go-ahead to let those out yet.

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    Not to you Diamondback as you can't say anything anyway...

    There are some obvious names though. They would never make a Portland without Leopard and Leander, the latter possibly both as British and French.
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    That Indiaman (not the Lego one) is the Amsterdam a replica based loosely on a 1746 VOC ship and is an exhibit at the Scheepvaarts museum in Amsterdam. It got voted in as an upcoming 3d ship for the "Naval Action" computer game, something for the merchants with good armament!

    The Lego ship looks like it would be fun to build actually!

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    Would be, but you'll never see it as an Official LEGO product--too big and too expensive. I've watched them shoot down far more solid business cases on their "Ideas" crowdsourced-dev site, simply because they have Not Invented Here Syndrome...

    Believe me, it pains me to say that, as someone who's had a relationship with their products my entire life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Would be, but you'll never see it as an Official LEGO product--too big and too expensive.
    well that's what Bricklink and your brain are for!

    my kids have way too many legos, and a few years back we spent a summer on our own naval building program (not age of sail however)


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    Impressive!

    As a kid, I once turned a Lego Coast Guard Cutter into a passable representation of a Nagato-class BB (assuming the Nagato was ever painted in overall light blue with white superstructure), but nothing that detailed. How long did that take?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NimitsTexan View Post
    How long did that take?
    It's all a bit fuzzy now, but I think 4-5 weeks of fairly steady work.

    My older son wanted to build the USS Samuel B. Roberts, but we started calculating sizes, and realized that if we wanted to keep it to lego-man scale, and build from the bricks we had, a corvette was the absolute biggest ship we could build. Even then we had to stay pretty flexible on the colors.

    I got the Osprey book on Flower corvettes and we used that to get the dimensions right and lay out the interiors. Good bit of planning and a lot of building. Spent several days dinking around with the engine--it kept wanting to explode apart when we turned the motor on.

    My older son did a lot of the construction and detail pieces; the younger mostly helped by dropping men down the smokestack whenever our backs were turned.

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    Wow that is amazing Lego work.

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    I was not aware that they made Lego in such a variety of shapes.
    That ship is a real corker Fred.
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