For Jonas

[Devsdoc]

Hi Jonas,
Just for you, 3 Hemmemaa's, 2 square rig and 1 lateen rig.



The start of the Swedish in-shore fleet
Be safe
Rory

[TexaS]

Beautiful ships!!

They'll clear the seas of Russians, or at least the archipelagos...

[Redcoat]

Are Langton Baltic ships? they are beautiful

[Devsdoc]

Hi Jonas,
a better photo I think. I wish they worked for the Swedes, but alas The big bear slapped the Swedes around.



Yes Julian,
Langton's work, Baltic fleets
Be safe
Rory

[Loki 13]

Interesting, very interesting.

[TexaS]

They worked very well in several battles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Svensksund

[Comte de Brueys]

Nice hybrids.

[CSherrange]

Very nice ships sir!

[Naharaht]

those are great looking ships, Rory.

[Devsdoc]

I made a ham of the lateen rig, I called it spider rigging. Will do better on the next one. I do a next one?????



It is a pigs-ear to do. I think I made it complicated for myself. Must think about this so more!
Be safe
Rory

[7eat51]

Very nice, Rory.

The red is quite striking.

Here's a nice little essay on the Hemmema: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemmema

Will these ever be in SoG's future?

[TexaS]

I'd guess that galleys, primarily Mediterranean, should be included in SoG but with the current timetable I'd say you'd have to wait until October...

...2036, that is.

[TexaS]

By the way, What names are they?

Startskottet (The Starting Shot), Styrbjörn (a given name) and something I can't read.

And Sweden never really was any power to be reckoned with after the Great Northern War when Denmark, Poland, Saxony and Russia attacked together, joined by Brandenburg (Prussia) when Sweden was starting to be exhausted. 1/3 of all men, 1/6 of all the population of Sweden died in that war. Sweden hadn't recovered population-wise until mid 19th century, a century and a half later.

[Devsdoc]

Nice hybrids.

Hi Sven,
The Hemmemaa where not hybrids, but the answer to an under-armed galley's. They are oared frigate or a galley with a broadside.

Very nice, Rory.

The red is quite striking.

Here's a nice little essay on the Hemmema: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemmema

Hi Eric,
The red on the ships! Some of the bigger Swedish ships-of-the-line used red on there sterns and Bulwarks. So I took some artistic-licence and to help I.D. my Swedish ship on the table, I used red on all my Swedish fleet. I cannot say that all Swedish ships had so much red on them, but it helps on the table.



Will these ever be in SoG's future?

I'd guess that galleys, primarily Mediterranean, should be included in SoG but with the current timetable I'd say you'd have to wait until October...

...2036, that is.

Lot of galley's in the Black Sea and The Baltic. If you take one of the smaller frigates you could add home-made oar-banks to add to the ship and you have made a Hemmemaa.

By the way, What names are they?

Startskottet (The Starting Shot), Styrbjörn (a given name) and something I can't read.

And Sweden never really was any power to be reckoned with after the Great Northern War when Denmark, Poland, Saxony and Russia attacked together, joined by Brandenburg (Prussia) when Sweden was starting to be exhausted. 1/3 of all men, 1/6 of all the population of Sweden died in that war. Sweden hadn't recovered population-wise until mid 19th century, a century and a half later.

The names come from a Find a ship web site and ship battle lists Swedes V Russian. Both of the above named ships are Hemmemaa and real. Thanks for your information.
I hope I have answered you all.
Be safe
Rory

[Naharaht]

Was the use of red for the same reason that the British Army chose red uniforms - to make it more difficult to see all the blood?

[Devsdoc]

Was the use of red for the same reason that the British Army chose red uniforms - to make it more difficult to see all the blood?

History bit, Sorry!
No! Before the English Civil War, England had no standing army. Both sides called up the county and city militia. In 1644 parliament ordered a force to destroy the kings armies. Made up of paid and loyal soldiers it was called "The New Model Army" Parliament paid for a large order of cloth. The colour of the cloth was called "Russet Red". This was thought to be a redish brown colour. At the time of the War of the Spanish Succession (1702-13). British soldiers coats were "Scarlet Red". So the change happen between the two times. Some years ago A friend who loved 17th century cooking was looking for recipes in the "British Museum". In one book he found a recipe for "Russet Red". He being of the "little bit Mad" kind. Made up the colour as in the book. The colour came out "Scarlet Red". So the frist English Army to wear Scarlet red was the New Model Army. As Parliament won the colour stayed. In 1660 General Monk sailed to Europe with the help of the Army, to get Charles 2 and bring him back to England and the throne. So the colour stayed Scarlet. The troops that went to get the king were from the boarders. Charles 2 named the troops that got him the "Coldstream Guard" the frist guard unit.
Hope this helps
Be safe
Rory

[Naharaht]

Thank you, Rory. If I had bothered doing the research Wikipedia has quite a good article on the British 'Red Coat'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_coa...ritish_army%29