Sails of Glory in general

[Dan-Sam]

I want to summarize confirmed facts (at this moment) about Sails of Glory into one thread. If you know anything more, please, add me.

Type of game: miniatures only
Scale: 1:1200
Release: summer 2012
Confirmed nations: Britain, France

Confirmed ships:
(official name in the game in bold)

• Aquilon / HMS Aboukir (1789-1798 French, 1798-1802 British; 74 guns)
• America / HMS Impétueux (1788-1794 French, 1794-1813 British; 74 guns)
• Commerce de Bordeaux / Timoléon (1785-1798 French; 74 guns)
• Fougueux (1785-1805 French; 74 guns)
• HMS Bellona (1760-1814; 74 guns)
• HMS Britannia / HMS Princess Royal / HMS St. George / HMS Barfleur (1762-1825 British, 100 guns)

Web links:

• Ares Games
• First Preview at Lucca Comics & Games
• Interview with Andrea & Andrea

Pictures of game:

[Attila57]

I hope Andrea will be a sailorman in this forum ASAP to tell use some news about this new game

Attilio

[Dan-Sam]

I hope too. His role on the Aerodrome is really important. There are not many authors of boardgames like him. Sir (Royal Hajj), did you send him an invitation? :confused:

[Attila57]

I'm sure he send him a formal invitation. Ready to fire welcome salvos of cannon in his homage!

Attilio

[The Cowman]

Outstanding... and thanks for the summary Daniel!

[Tommy Z]

Good Idea to keep all the info in one place!

[Capt P]

Thought I saw his name in one of the Welcome Abord threads

[SeaHunter]

Thanks Daniel for summarizing the game info in one place!

[Comte de Brueys]

Confirmed ships:
(official name in the game in bold)

• Aquilon / HMS Aboukir (1789-1798 French, 1798-1802 British; 74 guns)
• America / HMS Impétueux (1788-1794 French, 1794-1813 British; 74 guns)
• Commerce de Bordeaux / Timoléon (1785-1798 French; 74 guns)
• Fougueux (1785-1805 French; 74 guns)
• HMS Bellona (1760-1814; 74 guns)
• HMS Britannia / HMS Princess Royal / HMS St. George / HMS Barfleur (1762-1825 British, 100 guns)

No spanisch or french first rates?

:p

[Gunner]

Thanks for the summarization Daniel.

I hope a Spanish and Russian 74 will follow soon.

[Old Salt]

No spanisch or french first rates?

:p

thats because french and spanish fleets were in disrepair and poorly lead,

[Comte de Brueys]

Old Salt, you are so cruel!

...now I've got to snivel a little bit.

I know about the (dis)abilities, especially of the french ships.

But it will be fun to hunt down a three-decker with a british 74 gun ship, too.




By the way: Thanks Dan-Sam for this summary!:D

[Berthier]

Come on some of the French ships were magnificent. Unlike the British, they don't appear to have suffered from episodes of poor quality timber or shipyard short cuts. Reports of the unworthiness of some new British ships abound. The problem with the French ships were they never got to sea to train, their officer corps had been gutted by the Revolution due to the large number of aristocrats leaving or being imprisoned/executed and finally the difficulty of rising through the ranks..an issue not occurring in the army.

The Spanish are a different case again. They had the difficulties of a bankrupt state unable/unwilling to finance the upkeep of it's fleet, a lack of seaman (there had been seen epidemics in the regions from which seaman were usually drawn, particularly 1803-05, cholera I think though it may been typhus etc), a surprising seeming lack of depth in their officer pool (surprising because they had a large overseas empire) but also a lack of history of naval success for centuries that should not be underestimated. The few naval success they did have were sometimes with hired Italians mercenaries etc, a policy the Spanish were forced to use since the 16C due to lack of soldiers/sailors in Spain itself. Their ships, particularly the larger 1st-3rd rates were well built but not maintained.

[SeaHunter]

You got that right Daniel!

[Bumblie3]

We Brits tended to over-gun our ships, making them deadly but slower and less maneuverable and less able to fight in really rough conditions. Vessels captured by the French frequently had guns removed to make them sail better and improve their ability to fight in rougher seas, but this was often offset by the French tendency to attach ornate fittings and decorations to the ships, which made them more top heavy and also made them less stable gun platforms.

[Dan-Sam]

No spanisch or french first rates? :p

These are ships which was confirmed by Andrea itself in post on Boardgamegeek (first four) and in preview materials (Bellona and Britannia). I am sure we can expect bigger ships (for you, I think L'Orient is so fundamental that it can not be ignored ;)).
Same with other nations - I think there will be much more (Spanish, Russian, may be Dutch or Austrian etc.), but they are not confirmed yet.

[Berthier]

John has fired the first true broadside with his boom vs bling! Damn Brits always liked to double shot you :o

[Bluedevil]

Any ideas or news about the release date?

[David Manley]

No spanisch or french first rates?

No 1st or 2nd rates for anyone3 in the initial release. Likely to come in the first few releases of individual ships after the first series.

[crashx]

Thanks Daniel for the summary!!!

[Bluedevil]

An obvious question I guess...but is there any news about the release?

[The Royal Hajj]

Nothing new as of yet.

[Mitchell422]

Thank You...

[Berthier]

Just checked out the Ares web site. As an interesting exercise go through all the menu bars, links etc and see if you can find SOG...well i couldn't. The only way I could find a reference to it was by using their search box. This could mean many things, but at a minimum I dont think we'll be seeing anything till end of 2012...if we're lucky:(

[The Royal Hajj]

They typically only add things that are at most 4-5 months out. I would not read into it to much as of yet.

[David Manley]

I agree their website isn't exactly easy to work around, but then again iuts much better than some :) I think we are about 7-8 months away from initial releases.

[Gunner]

Time for a bone.

Seems like interest in SOG has peaked with only 46 swabs on board. I think it would rekindle interest, and draw new members, if Ares would throw a bone every 3 or 4 weeks just to show the gaming community that it is still on the drawing board.

[David Manley]

Perhaps it was a bit premature launching the website well before the release date.

[csadn]

Perhaps it was a bit premature launching the website well before the release date.

"You don't mean...?"
"Yes -- Premature Ejection."
[FX: thunderclap and lightning-flash]
[Elaine, and Ted, _ Airplane! 2: The Sequel_]

>;)

[Mitchell422]

aye are you jumping ship already.... your not a cruise ship captain.......are yee

[Berthier]

Not jumping ship, "fell into the lifeboat", could happen to anyone....

[Berthier]

Oh and a bone, even a splinter of bone would be nice. Scrimshaw anyone?

[mrdugsir]

I've been looking forward to this game for a couple years now so I can wait a little longer. Give it time, more people will come.

[Blackrose]

I don't think this got logged in here yet, but Robert Di Meglio posted on the Yahoo group the following:

"Not everything is 100% decided yet, but there are some details which I
can share for sure!

1) Release date: we are working to get the game out as a 4th quarter
2012 release
2) We are planning to have an introductory set including rules and
ships. I hope we'll be able to include 4 ships (2 French, 2 British),
unless we see that this makes the box too expensive.
3) Initially we'll release 4 ship models - two frigates (28-32 guns) and
two ships of the line (74 guns), in several different colors (3 or 4 of
each, for a total of 12/16 models). In the future we'll add more
different ships, ranging from small frigates to first-class SoTLs, We'll
probably release them in groups of 2 or 4 models at a time, every 4 months.

That's all for now, thanks for your patience, and stay tuned!"

Karl

[Bumblie3]

Thanks for the update, Karl.
It all sounds pretty good.
What a shame that we will probably
have to wait another year before we
get to lay hands on a set.

John

[Berthier]

Happy news then, thanks Karl. Maybe Christmas gifts all around for us?!

[HMS Vengence]

Before Christmas would be good; starting a new games system is otherwise outside my budget :(

Good to hear some news though :)

Dave

[crashx]

Great news!!! Very promising!!!

[Attila57]

Nice news!! I'll celebrate Christmas with some ships under the tree!

Attilio

[Comte de Brueys]

Ok, good information.

[Bligh]

Good to hear that we will have something to look forward to for Christmas. Thanks for the Heads up Daniel.
Bligh.

[Churruca]

I'm really worried watching the Spanish Navy ignored in SoG :-(

[Coog]

I'm really worried watching the Spanish Navy ignored in SoG :-(

I'm thinking the models will be somewhat generic. A generic 74 model may come in different paint schemes, perhaps as a British, a French, and a Spanish ship. If not, you can always aquire ships of other manufacturers. I have five GHQ models that are Spanish. If a certain ship is not available, I'm sure that Anchorage members will produce cards for them just as on the WoG site.

[Gunner]

I'm really worried watching the Spanish Navy ignored in SoG :-(

I would be surprised if the release after the initial one wasn't Spanish.
The Spanish are a must.
Then maybe Russian & Turkish???

[csadn]

I'm really worried watching the Spanish Navy ignored in SoG :-(

Now you know how the Americans feel about this period of history. :)

[Churruca]

To be honest, I thought USA dis not take part in that conflict :confused:

[Coog]

Now you know how the Americans feel about this period of history. :)

I believe Ares will be very focused sales. With the US being a large market, we will probably see the Constitution very soon after the release of the game.

[Coog]

To be honest, I thought USA dis not take part in that conflict :confused:

The United States was not directly involved in the Napoleonic War. However, they did get caught up in the conflict as US merchants traded with both sides. The French started seizing American merchantmen and this led to the Quasi War which lasted between 1798 and 1800. Here is a link for details:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-War

One of the causes of the War of 1812 was British restrictions on American trade with France. Here is a link about that war:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812

The U. S. Navy was also very involved during the period combating North African states involved in seizing ships and crews. Here are some links on that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Barbary_War

While there are no grand fleet actions involving U. S. warships, there are a lot of single ship actions that can be gamed for that period.

[David Manley]

I'm really worried watching the Spanish Navy ignored in SoG :-(

Chatting to a few people "in the know" I would suspect your fears are unfounded :)

[Blackrose]

To be honest, I thought USA dis not take part in that conflict :confused:

As Bobby said, there was a lot of American Naval action during the period. When refering to the conflicts around the time, many historians refer to them as the Napoleonic Wars, due to the opinion that most of them were caused or at least triggered by the main conflict in Europe. The War of 1812 is a classic example, since, while it is likely a conflict between the United Staes and Great Britian would have occurred sometime in the first half of the 19th century, it was triggered by actions taken on both sides due to the war in Europe.
Karl