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    A sheet fo sale of 1/1200 naval flags and pennants for the following nations:

    Britain 1801 – Current. Four flags (10mm x 5mm) and four pennants (22mm long).
    Britain 1707 – 1800. Three flags and three pennants
    American War of Independence: English Independent Colonies. One flag and one pennant.
    American 1795 – 1818. One flag and one pennant.
    Danish. One flag and one pennant
    Swedish. One flag and one pennant
    French 1790 – 1794. Two flags and two pennants.
    French 1794 – Current. Three flags and three pennants.
    Spanish. Two flags and two pennants
    Russian. One flag and one pennant.
    Dutch. One flag and one pennant.
    Batavian. One flag and one pennant.
    Turkish. One flag and one pennant.

    found at this link:

    http://www.keepwargaming.co.uk/11200...nts-1288-p.asp

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    That will be a very helpful link!

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    That is assuming they get it back in stock?

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    Quite right Ken, could be a recent OOS item or years old!

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    Ill see if I can get an update for this me hearties

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    Great find thanks

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    It says they have two in stock, so I have ordered one and will let you know if they are any good.
    Rob.

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    Thanks Rob, I'm interested in some of these and your tests will come in handy!

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    Langton have some as an alternative

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    Looks like it will be Langton then. I just recieved this E-Mail from Keep Wargaming which may explain a lot.
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    Thank you for your order for the 1/1200 Naval flags. I regret that we have
    been unable to find this item - we are in the middle of doing our final
    clearance of our business premises (The Keep) and unfortunately, we have
    moved too many things so we don't know where we might have put them. I do
    apologise, and thought I should let you know as soon as possible.
    I am, therefore, refunding you your payment in full.

    If we do find them in the next few days then I shall let you know.

    Again, many apologies.

    Regards

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    Thanks for nothig Rob! lol

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    Well at least they refunded quickly, some stores would have had you waiting months...oh they're here somewhere, will be sure to get them out to you in a week or two etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Looks like it will be Langton then. I just recieved this E-Mail from Keep Wargaming which may explain a lot.
    Rob.

    Thank you for your order for the 1/1200 Naval flags. I regret that we have
    been unable to find this item - we are in the middle of doing our final
    clearance of our business premises (The Keep) and unfortunately, we have
    moved too many things so we don't know where we might have put them. I do
    apologise, and thought I should let you know as soon as possible.
    I am, therefore, refunding you your payment in full.

    If we do find them in the next few days then I shall let you know.

    Again, many apologies.

    Regards

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    I'm sorry Rob you don't receive your order

    I found another site where there are Naval Ensign & Pennant Sets

    http://www.rodlangton.com/napoleonic/misc.htm

    (I think this site was already indicated in an another post)

    Perhaps they have these sets

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    Quote Originally Posted by Attila57 View Post
    I'm sorry Rob you don't receive your order

    I found another site where there are Naval Ensign & Pennant Sets

    http://www.rodlangton.com/napoleonic/misc.htm

    (I think this site was already indicated in an another post)

    Perhaps they have these sets

    Thanks for your information attilio. As you will sdee in my quote I was aware of Langto having them. What I did not know was the exact place to look, so you have saved me valuable time. Also whilst looking at the options it drew my attention to one Navy that we have not considered. This is the HEIC. It would make an excellent small Navy for the beginner, in that being based in the Indian Ocean, it fought a large number of small Squadron actions against the French who were based in the area. Often a single 74 with a couple of up gunned or Razee Frigates against a small French fleet or the like. Lots of escort duty with rich merchantmen as prizes for the winners.
    Rob.

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    I do seem to remember REVO had a set of Naval flags and Pennents, but I dont know if they are still available, I think Mr google will help here

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    I have some of the Langton flag/pennants. Very clear and sharp.

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    Ebay(UK) has someone selling the REVo flags, 2 for £2.99

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    Thanks Chris. I placed an order to try them out.
    They seem to have many in stock.

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    NP Ed, just to let you know tough, Revo flags are generally "gummed" so you peel and stick together. Just be careful sticking as they cant be opened again afterwards, at least I could never to so to my Napoleonic flags & ACW flags without destroying them

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    Thanks for the heads up Chris.
    When I use the peel & stick paper, I first apply a very thin layer of a white glue & water mixture. That gives me enough time to set the flag.

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    Here is what you get with the Revo set



    The chap on ebay is sellling two sets for the price i listed earlier

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    Looks like a good cross section although lacking the Blue Ensign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligh View Post
    Thanks for your information attilio. As you will sdee in my quote I was aware of Langto having them. What I did not know was the exact place to look, so you have saved me valuable time. Also whilst looking at the options it drew my attention to one Navy that we have not considered. This is the HEIC. It would make an excellent small Navy for the beginner, in that being based in the Indian Ocean, it fought a large number of small Squadron actions against the French who were based in the area. Often a single 74 with a couple of up gunned or Razee Frigates against a small French fleet or the like. Lots of escort duty with rich merchantmen as prizes for the winners.
    Rob.
    That could be interesting: IIRC, Indianmen (the ships) were considered tough customers to pirate, even for the larger Naval "pirates". Rob, any info on these ships?
    Karl

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    Here is a bit for you.

    Naval Engagement between a British East Indiaman and a French Warship, 1781
    The trade route to India - south around Africa and northeast across the vast Indian Ocean - was well known and of great importance. Conveniently astride this route lay the Dutch colony of South Africa, and further on Mauritius and the island of Reunion. Inconveniently, Holland was now part of Napoleon's European empire, and Mauritius was held by the French and harboured a very active privateer squadron. British troops were landed at Cape Town and that colony captured with a mere show of force. A more active plan was devised to take over Mauritius and the island of Reunion. In a nineteenth-century-style combined operation, the British would deliver a force of infantry - British state troops plus British and Indian troops of the Honourable East India Company (HEIC) - to capture and garrison shore bases, whilst naval elements dealt with enemy ships and provided support. However, this was not a new scheme the British and other European powers had been doing it for over 200 years.

    By mid-1810 the French had three frigates in the area - Bellone (40 guns), Minerve (40) and Victor (22). On 3 July, they attacked three 813tonne (800-ton) ships of the HEIC. These were among the biggest merchantmen of the time, with some built larger, up to 1422 tonnes (1400 tons). In addition, their construction was stronger than that of naval frigates, with iron instead of oak knees and fittings. More than half the HEIC fleet was rated at 1422 tonnes (1400 tons), and increasing numbers of their ships were built in Bombay using teak, which was better than oak in tropical waters besides HMS Victor, the oldest serving ship of the period was an Indian-built frigate.

    Although larger than a conventional frigate as a vessel, an Indiaman's armament was slightly lighter. An 813-tonne (800-ton) Indiaman would expect to carry 32 18-pounder cannon. This was quite a respectable armament, except that the vessel did not have the crew numbers or space to operate as a true warship because of the cargo she carried, which was her real raison d'etre. The French squadron captured two of these East Indiamen, the Ceylon and the Windham. The third made good her escape under cover of darkness.

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    This site has all nations flags, all periods, and all branches. http://tmg110.tripod.com/archive.htm
    Each nation home page has a naval page for historical through current pennants and ensigns. Just shrink to fit the scale.

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    Good find

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    If you check the files section of the site there are sheets of flags already shrunk to size.

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    Coog, I just went to the site to see if I missed something. I don't see any "files" section on any of the pages. Or are you talking about this site? I looked at the two sheets on this site. I don't see blue squadron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    Coog, I just went to the site to see if I missed something. I don't see any "files" section on any of the pages. Or are you talking about this site? I looked at the two sheets on this site. I don't see blue squadron.
    There are three files. Vol, look at flag 2.
    To make sure your looking in the right place, just scroll to the top of this page and look at the dark blue band under the name, Sails of Glory Anchorage and you will see " Home Forum What's New? Blogs Medals Files " Click on Files.


    Great set of flags Coog. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
    There are three files. Vol, look at flag 2.
    To make sure your looking in the right place, just scroll to the top of this page and look at the dark blue band under the name, Sails of Glory Anchorage and you will see " Home Forum What's New? Blogs Medals Files " Click on Files.


    Great set of flags Coog. Thanks.
    This link comes back with ......ERROR: File not found.

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    They are still there as far as I can see Barry. just my battle picture seems to have degraded.
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    Sorry Rob still getting ERROR: File not found when I try the UK Naval Ensigns Nap.doc
    Could you post a link here please ??

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    You are right Baz.
    I only downloaded the Dutch file.
    All the others are degraded.
    Maybe Coog would replace them.
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    A sad day.....fleet ready to sail forthwith and no one can do so.....no flags. Ok lads, back to the pub.

    Rob thanks for trying anyway.

    PS does anyone know where I can get some 1/1000 flags ??

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    E-mail me at volsminiatures@gmail.com, tell me what nations you want. They are sized for 1/1200 but it will be relatively easy for me to increase the size a bit for 1/1000.

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    Thank you Vol. E mail on its way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clickenhof View Post
    Thank you Vol. E mail on its way.
    Barry, let me know if there is anything else you need.

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    So where are 1/1200 flags?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    Barry, let me know if there is anything else you need.
    Barry, I just sent the Popham's signal flags you asked for.

    Regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by wan314 View Post
    So where are 1/1200 flags?
    Darren, What do you need? Email or PM me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackrose View Post
    That could be interesting: IIRC, Indianmen (the ships) were considered tough customers to pirate, even for the larger Naval "pirates". Rob, any info on these ships?
    Karl
    The Battle of Pulu Aor (1804) (Bretwalda Battles Book 2) by Rupert Mathews is only 99 cents on Amazon Kindle.
    At 08:00 on 14 February 1804, with the island of Pulo Aura within sight to the south-west near the eastern entrance to the Straits of Malacca, the Indiaman Royal George raised a signal describing three sail approaching the convoy from the direction of the island. This was Linois's squadron, which had been cruising in the area for the previous month in anticipation of the convoy's arrival. Dance ordered the brig Ganges and the Indiamen Alfred, Royal George, Bombay Castle and Hope to approach the strange vessels and investigate, rapidly discovering that they were enemy warships. By 13:00, Dance had readied his guns and reformed his convoy, with the large Indiamen formed up in line of battle to receive the French attack as if they were warships. During the late afternoon, Linois's squadron fell in behind the slow line of merchant ships and Dance expected an immediate attack, but Linois was cautious and merely observed the convoy, preferring to wait until the following morning before engaging the enemy. Dance made use of the delay to gather the smaller country ships on the opposite side of his line from the French, the brig Ganges shepherding them into position and collecting volunteers from their crews to augment the sailors on board the Indiamen. Linois later excused his delay in attacking the merchant convoy by citing the need for caution:

    If the bold front put on by the enemy in the daytime had been intended as a ruse to conceal his weakness, he would have profited by the darkness of the night to endeavour to conceal his escape; and in that case should have taken advantage of his manoeuvres. But I soon became convinced that this security was not feigned; three of his ships constantly kept their lights up, and the fleet continued to lie to, in order of battle, throughout the night. This position facilitated my gaining the wind, and enabled me to observe the enemy closely.
    —Linois, quoted in translation in William James' The Naval History of Great Britain during the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars, Volume 3, 1827.

    At dawn on 15 February, both the British and French forces raised their colours. Dance hoped to persuade Linois that his ships included some fully armed warships and he therefore ordered the brig Ganges and the four lead ships to hoist blue ensigns, while the rest of the convoy raised red ensigns. By the system of national flags then in use in British ships, this implied that the ships with blue ensigns were warships attached to the squadron of Admiral Rainier, while the others were merchant ships under their protection. Dance was unknowingly assisted by the information that had reached Linois at Batavia, which claimed that there were 23 merchant ships and the brig in the convoy. Dance had collected six additional ships during his journey, and the identity of these were unknown to the French, who assumed that at least some of the unidentified vessels must be warships, particularly as several vessels had been recently painted at Canton to resemble ships of the line.

    At 09:00 Linois was still only observing the convoy, reluctant to attack until he could be sure of the nature of his opponents. Dance responded to the reprieve by reforming the line of battle into sailing formation to increase his convoy's speed with the intention of reaching the Straits ahead of Linois. With the convoy a less intimidating target, Linois began to slowly approach the British ships. By 13:00 it was clear that Linois's faster ships were in danger of isolating the rear of the convoy, and Dance ordered his lead ships to tack and come about, so that they would cross in front of the French squadron. The British successfully executed the manoeuvre, and at 13:15 Linois opened fire on the lead ship—Royal George—under the command of John Fam Timmins. The Royal George and the next four ships in line, the Indiaman Ganges, Dance's Earl Camden, the Warley and the Alfred, all returned fire, Ganges initially attacking the Royal George in error. Captain James Prendergrass in Hope, the next in line, was so eager to join the battle that he misjudged his speed and collided with Warley, the ships falling back as their crews worked to separate their rigging. Shots were then exchanged at long range for 43 minutes, neither side inflicting severe damage.
    Royal George had a sailor named Hugh Watt killed, another man wounded, and suffered some damage to her hull. None of the other British ships or any of the French reported anything worse than superficial damage in the engagement. At 14:00, Linois abandoned the action and ordered his squadron to haul away with the wind and sail eastwards, away from the convoy, under all sail. Determined to maintain the pretence of the presence of warships, Dance ordered the ships flying naval ensigns, including his flagship Earl Camden, to chase the French. None of the merchant ships could match the French speed, but an attempt at a chase would hopefully dissuade the French from returning. For two hours, Dance's squadron followed Linois, Hope coming close to catching Aventurier but ultimately unable to overtake the brig. At 16:00, Dance decided to gather his scattered ships and return to his former heading rather than risk attack from other raiders or lose sight of his convoy in the darkness. By 20:00, the entire British convoy had anchored at the entrance to the Straits of Malacca. On 28 February, the British ships of the line HMS Sceptre and Albion joined them in the Strait and conducted them safely to Saint Helena in the South Atlantic.

    There HMS Plantagenet escorted the convoy to England. Five whalers and the Carmarthen, Captain Doree, also joined the convoy, with the Blackhouse, from coast of Guinea, joining at sea. The convoy returned to England without further incident.

    Linois's squadron reached Batavia several days after the action without encountering any British ships. He was there joined by Atalante and, after taking on supplies, made sail for Ξle de France, arriving on 2 April. The Dutch brig Aventurier was left at Batavia and remained there until a raid on the port by a British force in November 1806, when it was destroyed. The French admiral later attempted to explain his conduct during the engagement:


    The ships which had tacked rejoined those which were engaging us, and three of the engaging ships manoeuvred to double our rear, while the remainder of the fleet, crowding sail and bearing up, evinced an intention to surround us. By this manoeuvre the enemy would have rendered my situation very dangerous. The superiority of his force was ascertained, and I had no longer to deliberate on the part I should take to avoid the consequence of an unequal engagement: profiting by the smoke, I hauled up to port, and steering east-north-east, I increased by distance from the enemy, who continued the pursuit of the squadron for three hours, discharging at it several broadsides.
    —Linois, quoted in translation in William James' The Naval History of Great Britain during the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars, Volume 3, 1827.

    This would be a fun scenario for you guys if and when Ares comes out with some merchants. I have EIC flags.

    Regards,
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    Thanks, Vol. Just ordered the Kindle Version.

    Amazon has a whole pages of cheap Kindle books in this series. I was unaware of it until your post.
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    +1 Thanks just got it - makes for a great scenario! Now I am perusing others in the series. Some are .99, some $2..9 or $4.99. Free if you have Kindle unlimited.

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    I to need some e-mail sent Vol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volunteer View Post
    Barry, I just sent the Popham's signal flags you asked for.

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    Thank you Vol for the flags.

    Sorry it has taken me so long to reply.

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    There is nothing like a Lazarus event to stir thing up and kick off some interesting posts.
    The title for your post was most amusing Barry.
    It also prompted me to say that I have no more information on those particular ships.
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    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    I thiught the flags in the files section had been replaced and were working again, if not pm me your email and I have a set of various nations flags and pennents, Ill add this to the list of adding to the files once I get my desktop repaired

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    Tried it Chris, and am just getting Error file not found.
    If anyone has existing copies of Vols originals could they please send them to the files section.
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    The Business of the commander-in-chief is first to bring an enemy fleet to battle on the most advantageous terms to himself, (I mean that of laying his ships close on board the enemy, as expeditiously as possible); and secondly to continue them there until the business is decided.

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    Rob, I am so sorry I have not done so. Unfortunately I am in Alaska for another 11 days and do not have the files with me. I will be getting home the evening of the 29th. If everyone can wait that long, I will upload my files. I have a lot more now than I did back then. American revolution, American privateers, State and Colonial naval flags, Ottoman, Tripolitan, Spanish Privateers, Naples, etc., etc.


    Update:
    Rob, I just checked out the files section and it appears every file I have ever uploaded is gone. Is this a result of the Anchorage getting hacked a few years ago when it lost all of the post and album photos? Did the files disappear too?

    I just checked the blogs I created and all of the photos are gone. Just great!
    Last edited by Volunteer; 06-19-2017 at 05:50.

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    No criticism of you was intended Vol.
    You did the job in the first place. To expect you to pick it up again would be churlish to say the least.
    That is the sole reason I asked if anyone else could provide any of the missing files.
    Best regards Rob.
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