Paul, Jim and Rob,
Thank you for the rep points gentlemen!:salute:
Printable View
Paul, Jim and Rob,
Thank you for the rep points gentlemen!:salute:
Ok I am trying to determine the proper RN ensign for the Guerriere. The paintings show the Red, the Blue and the White so no help there. Any suggestion on where else to look?
I have had a quick look and annoyingly found only the Admirals in charge of the Halifax station until Jan 1812, and post August 1812 when Sir John Borlase Warren was appointed so have no idea under whose flag Guerriere sailed at the time.
I will carry on looking when I get a few more moments free.
Rob.
Vol, you could always contact someone at the USS Constitution, and explain your project. I'm sure their history folks would love to answer that one.
I sent an email enquiry to the USS Constitution Museum. But to be honest, I don't expect much. I watched their video on the famous action and it includes visuals showing all three British ensigns as well, haha
Whilst sitting in the eye hospital this afternoon I had time to reflect and figured on the chance that as the post seems to be vacant between Jan and August the ensigns used may well have remained that of the former incumbent until Warren arrived on station.
Dave Manley may well be able to shed some light on the protocol for this.
Rob.
Just came across this from a document in the Maritime museum.
The British government, engaged in a global war with Napoleonic France and with its financial and military resources stretched, had little desire to begin another conflict across the Atlantic in North America. Meanwhile, the hawks among American politicians realised that their country was perhaps not quite as prepared in terms of material resources (or eager, at least in the northeastern United States, where a profitable merchant trade was flourishing with British North America) to go to war with Britain and her remaining North American colonies. After much diplomacy, tensions eased, and an infuriated Admiralty Board recalled Berkeley to London, replacing him with Admiral Sir John Borlase Warren on 15 October 1807. Warren took over command on Berkeley's departure from Bermuda on 27 February 1808. Warren himself was replaced as station commander by Vice Admiral Herbert Sawyer on 26 November 1810, taking over command on Warren's departure on 21 January 1811. Sawyer would remain in Halifax until Warren's return after the start of the War of 1812. Meanwhile, on the 16 May 1811 another incident involving HMSLittle Belt, during which the much more powerful USS President opened fire on the smaller sloop without any warning, heightened naval tensions to even greater levels, and foreshadowed the coming conflict.
Rob.
Wow Rob I just found this myself, and then jumped on to post it and found your message, haha
"By early 1810, he was made second-in-command of Portsmouth dockyard and, by the end of the year, was again promoted; this time to the rank of vice-admiral. In 1810 he was appointed to the post of commander-in-chief of the North American Station[1] – his father's old command – which he held during the War of 1812 before relinquishing it in 1813."
So which ensign is a Vice-Admiral, blue or white?
So if he was a newly promoted vice-admiral, after 1805, that would make him a Vice-Admiral of the Blue. So I think Blue it is. Thanks for the help.
Seniority was therefore from 1805 to 1864:
Admiral of the Fleet
Admiral of the Red Squadron (rank created in 1805)
Admiral of the White Squadron
Admiral of the Blue Squadron
Vice-Admiral of the Red Squadron
Vice-Admiral of the White Squadron
Vice-Admiral of the Blue Squadron
Rear-Admiral of the Red Squadron
Rear-Admiral of the White Squadron
Rear-Admiral of the Blue Squadron
I think your French POW had the right of it by the looks of the evidence.
Rob.
Thank you Roméo, but I intended to flag the ship as British to fight my USS Constitution.
Here is HMS Guerriere
Attachment 58725
Attachment 58726
Attachment 58727
Blue suits her Vol.:wink:
Rob.
Great work everyone. Beautiful ship Vol!
Thanks Jonas
Now on the bench is Henry Turner's Bonhomme Richard. Painted her tonight.
Attachment 58728
Attachment 58729
Attachment 58730
Attachment 58731
Note there are no channel at all on this sculpt. I will have to add them in order to attach the ratlines.
A wee bit earlier than the Napoleonic age of sail but I am working on galleys of the Lepanto era. I got a box of these die cut wood galleys from Skull & Crown miniatures in trade for some 40k space marines.
Painting before assembly. Note the neat smoke markers that fit nicely over the guns to denote they have fired. In the accompanying rules "Galleys, Guns and Glory" you have to roll to reload as it was not often done in these battles. Also the little galley with the squares is used to hold damage dice for the large galley or lanterna command ship in the foreground.
Attachment 58732
Masts up prepping for some simple rigging!
Attachment 58733
Next up rigging and final assembly.
That is very cool Eric. I just printed a generic Lepanto galley
Attachment 58734
I'll have to make the oars, mast and sail.
Attachment 58735
Attachment 58736
I've decided that I need a lugger. I downloaded the top picture for sail shape. The hull will be a modified Alligator.
I have the courses cut out. Next up, cutting out the topsails, then the masts and yards.
That will be pretty cool Dobbs. What are you doing for the masts? Will they be scratch built?
Might follow you after Doncaster Dobbs. I could do with a lugger too. I'll see iuf I can find a spare Alligator.
Rob.
:happy:I studied pictures of yours when planning mine. I'll probably go back a few more times.
Attachment 58741
My weakness for luggers revealed. Suzanne and I built Agility last year. The new lugger will be Agilite'.
The only Blog I saw Vol was your one on here. Which reminds me that I will try and add your Harbour to the How to section. You could also add a couple of those pictures to the Harbours bit of the showcase if you like.
Rob.
This is the one I believe Dobbs was referring to Rob
https://volsminiatures.blogspot.com/...hasse.html?m=0
Got it Vol.
Thanks. That answers both questions. Langton it is then.
Rob.
It has been such nice weather here that I haven't spent much time indoors the last several days. But yesterday was a scorcher for this time of year, above 90°F or 32°C, breaking a record made in 1963.
So I spent the day at the docks working on my ship.
Built the masts
Attachment 58776
Attachment 58775
Mounted the masts
Attachment 58780
Narrowing the ends of the spars
Attachment 58777
Spars and furled courses done
Attachment 58778]
Sails done
Attachment 58779
Attachment 58781
Attachment 58782
Jamming in some sails work at the end of each day keeps the project moving. The main and foresails are now assembled.
The yards will be trimmed later. The schooner in the background gives a little scale.
I will explain what I have been up to after Doncaster this weekend,
Rob.
Mounting the spars and sails: Mizzen is almost done
Attachment 58784
Coming along very well Vol. I must make time to get back to my ship building projects.
Rob.
Another mast of sails done tonight.
Attachment 58785
And while I was doing that I was printing this White Tower of Thessaloniki in Greece
Attachment 58786
Attachment 58787
Good looking tower Vol. Who makes the files for that?
Rob.