Thanks very much for the rapid response. I was hoping that Essex was a probable, and you have come up trumps again.
Rob.
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Thanks very much for the rapid response. I was hoping that Essex was a probable, and you have come up trumps again.
Rob.
Again, take that with a grain, this is more "closest available proxy right now." Post particular ship requests in the Stats Committee and I'll trawl the data to see what we can come up with as a Playtest Candidate.
From what I see, Essex as-launched is 26x12# plus 16x24#crde, while a typical British 12-pdr 32 fit of around the turn of the 19th Century has four less carronades, more commonly also 18# though the Thames-class (ironically a revival of a 1750s design) were rocking 24's in 1806. Take the best Amazon, boost her Burthen to 3 and give her a slight Gunnery buff, and with American live-oak hulls maybe give her an extra hull box. (Similar for Indian teak.) She's about 10' longer and 3' beamier than her British counterpart, and a hundred tons BM heavier.
EDIT: Apologies for the HUFRACKINGMONGOUS image, but I found this comparison chart of the American 12-pdr frigates...
http://modelshipworld.com/uploads/mo...1473042548.jpg
When taken, the British thought Confederacy's hull would be more appropriate for an 18-pdr 38 or even a small SOL than a 12pdr 32/36! (Interestingly, sister Alliance was outfitted with 18pdr's, implying Confederacy was meant for them too.)
Thanks again for the extra info. I will take it on board.
Rob.
Here is my first try out DB. Does this fit with your criteria?
Rob.
I'd say take Essex down to Veer 7, but other than that it's ready for the Stats Committee to start testing. If I'm wrong about the live oak, no biggie, we just take off one of the rear boxes. :) The War of 1812 version will be considerably more powerful, but I thought it best that we focus on trying to get a "baseline" version right first to give us a platform to build on.
Actually, I'm about to start a Historical Discussions topic gathering whatever plans of 12pdr and 18pdr American frigates I can round up...
Veer 7 it will be then sir.
Rob.
Don't 'sir' me, old friend, I work for a living too. :) Or so my Old Sarge grandfather would say...
EDIT: You have a thread in the Stats Wardroom, BTW. :)
:salute: Sorry DB. Just treating you with the respect that your new exalted position deserves from a mere secretary to the Navy Board.
I remain your very humble and wheedling servant (Uriah Heap.) :sly:
Begging your pardon, I meant to say Jas Bligh.:happy:
Modified to fit your stats for the 1810 ship better. I will now do an early version for the back of the mat.
Rob.
Before the latest waves the sum of burden and veer was usually 10 and if the ship was rally big or small it could have the sum of 9.
I think that was a quite good rule of thumb.
Here is the 1799 mat. Does that do it or shall I make further mods?
Rob.
Rob, I think that's a Playtest Candidate if the Committee agrees! :)
I do.
Thanks chaps. We just need to hear from Dave Manley, but I have to thanke Db, Texas and Dobbs for useful input. I may have found my niche. You give me the stats and I knock out the mats to your specs. If I can be granted access to add things to the Files we can put the accepted ones there.
Rob.
Apropos of nothing, while I was trying to find a copy of Brian Miller's "Adventure's Call" to set my desktop on the backup laptop I stumbled across this image by Miller, "Harbor Night," that I thought might make somebody a good wallpaper.
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[QUOTE=Diamondback;95728]Apropos of nothing, while I was trying to find a copy of Brian Miller's "Adventure's Call" to set my desktop on the backup laptop I stumbled across this image by Miller, "Harbor Night," that I thought might make somebody a good wallpaper.
It is a very atmospheric picture DB. Strange to say my wallpaper is also a ship. A photo I took of Hermione when she sailed up the Chesapeake to Yorktown.
Rob.
Oh no! Excusing your pardon me L'ud, an umble secretary to the Navy Board could never aspire to such lofty heights as that. I am quite happy dealing with the needs of you Captains and leaving the lofty decisions of State to your Lordships.
Most respectfully, your most ob't servant,
Uriah Heap. (Secretary to the Board)
Maybe something like this Dave.:wink:
Rob.
Ship base mat for Essex now done.
[QUOTE=Bligh;95731]Miller actually did a series that I'd like to know more about... the other three were Voyage, Storm and Harbor Sunrise.
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Even more eye candy DB, and here is my completed Essex herself.
Just done the US Flag decal. Just the ship card to go now.
Rob.
They do make a fine pair
Thanks Dave.
I hope to have them in action in a few days time.
Rob.
Hello mates! I have not posted here for a long time, the truth is that I have been quite busy with various projects and personal issues that do not transcend here, but I hope to be a little more active from now on. I would like to share some photos about a british fleet I have done. They are a lot of ship and the scale 1/700 do difficult to share all ships at one photo, so, I will share little by little the ships. I would like to start with first and second rate. They are HMS Victory, HMS Royal Sovereign, HMS Neptune and HMS Temeraire.
This ships were done using:
Hulls from Meridian brand
Ratlines from mikrostocznia
Sails, masts, base scratchbuilt.
Complements like anchors and little boats from Meridian.
I hope soon have a new background bigger to do photo of all ships and I would like to do a video with the proces of contruction.
I hope you like them and I hope all of you are healthy.
Best regards,
Julián
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Good to hear from you Julián and thanks for all the eye candy. It was just what we needed to lift the spirits here on a very dull chilley and stormy day. :drinks:
I am glad to heare that you are well and hope all your family are likewise. We are just about to raise the quarintine flag again as Notts has gone into the top tier of lockdown, despite the numbers of infection starting a downward trend.
Your efforts on the British Navy front are certainly worthy of a bit of Rep cannon.:cannonboom: Keep them coming dear chap.
Sail safe.
Rob.
And this concludes my USS Essex cards.
Those are some gloriously beautiful bases!
Duncan has given me a wee project - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKg8oPF4xfk
My next stage is to attach magnets to the underside of my minis, I'll report back too.
For those interested in more information on the USS Essex see here:- https://sailsofglory.org/showthread....5752#post95752
Rob.
Suggestion for statting 1810 Essex: I'd propose a two-track approach if David Manley has time to assist. Option A would be apply the regular Ares carronade rules, Option B the buffed gun-line I mentioned above with "Half Draws at A Range" special rule, and see which option fits historical performance better.
Sounds a very sensible way to give choices on the approach. for non historical games if carronades are in use we have two options available. We have either half firepower is Carronades or all are. that makes it easy to keep track of what is going on when a lot of ships are being handled by a few people.
An option for building it into the card appeals to me.
Rob,
I couldn't agree more. The times are really harsh. I don't even want to go into today's detail. All these pictures and these posts about our valued ships are such a way-out for me to this worrisome period. Thanks for sharing. Really. The result is beyond excellence. Even if I'm very far from reaching the talent of everybody here, I will soon post some pictures of mine in process. :minis:
Please feel free to post whenever you can Romeo. The more chat we get the better chance of keeping things afloat in these dismal times of :help: Lockdown.
Sink me the ship master gunner. :cannonboom::minis:
Rob.
Beautiful work Julian! You are becoming expert at those scratch masts and sails. They all look first rate!
Only sorry I can't add more interest. my last couple of days have been taken up making card decks for my non standard ships.
Rob.