Well received a nice large box, with one of each of the new ships. And placed an order for GHQ Santissima Trinidad. So now I have almost 60-70 ships. How about you guys, anyone stocking up on the new ships?
Shane
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Well received a nice large box, with one of each of the new ships. And placed an order for GHQ Santissima Trinidad. So now I have almost 60-70 ships. How about you guys, anyone stocking up on the new ships?
Shane
They have not sailed across the Atlantic yet, Shane.
Order awaiting funds to pay for it here...
One Spanish 1st rate, one Spanish 3rd rate (under RN flag) and two of each (French/RN) of the smaller vessels. :moneygone:
Hi Rob
I ordered it yesterday, since it is coming from Alberta, Canada, and it is Christmas time......I should get it ohhhhhhh, when I reach my retirement age. :) I will see the size, at 1:1200 scale it is not to far off from the 1:1000 scale sails of glory ships are.
I would have ordered it from Langton, or Red Eagle in your neck of the woods, but the cost to get it to Canada would mean I would pay as much as I did on the model. I hate Canada Post, and import duties..........So I expect it to be about 2% smaller than the Sails of Glory ships. I will also try to rig it as well. My eyesight for small work is getting worse,but I have a lot of good examples here to go by.
Shane
I've been setting money aside for this wave for over a year, so I ended up getting two of each model. No base card flipping for me. :happy:
Rob, photos in my album compare the two ST's from GHQ and Langton. Silver is GHQ and red is Langton. I don't have a shot of the Ares ST version I did, side by side with either of these, but the 1/1200 ones are definitely smaller. I doubt that would matter on a game table, but for some it might?
http://sailsofglory.org/album.php?al...achmentid=8401
If the GHQ is smaller.........that is fine, the alternative is to wait another year for the SOG ship to come out. BTW does anyone here have a copy of the ship card and the ship display they could share with an old landlubber:)It would make a 50 year old a very happy boy.
Thanks
Shane
Thanks for that comparison Jim.
As you all say, if indeed it is only one year to wait we will do well.
I may have to bite the bullet and accept the slight size anomaly.
As one gets older actually making a decision gets harder, and I have been umming and arring too much about this one,
Rob.
Shane, I did a very very rough version on this thread. The numbers were guesses/approximations at best. With the arrival of the Santa Ana and her daunting broadside I do wonder just how powerful Ares might be tempted to make the Santisima Trinidad? I've never even thought about making a ship log for my kitbashed ST.
http://sailsofglory.org/showthread.p...isima+trinidad
I just would want to compare the broad side weight of Santissima and perhaps HMS Victory before determining the stats. Something I think Ares forgot to do when deciding the stats for Santa Ana.
That would indeed seem to be the case Jonas.
Rob.
With the exception of purchasing just one each of the Spanish 1st Rates, I got two each of everything else. They are currently blockading the Christmas Village beneath our tree (so much for the traditional train set!). Now waiting for ARES to develop a couple Spanish frigates and the Santissima Trinidad to finish off my wife's armada and hoping for a few US ships (like the Chesapeake, Constellation, Essex, etc.) for myself ... as well as maybe a few brigs and merchantmen? ... and I'll be satisfied. I've already outgrown my storage space. I need a bigger box!
We all need a bigger box Michael.:sad: Then we get one. Then we complain about the lack of ships.:minis: Then Ares release them.:happy: Then we buy them. :moneygone:Then we need a bigger box.:sad: Then we get one. :happy:Then we.........
I refer you to the thread "I am a Sails addict because........."
Have a very Happy Christmas Mike,:singin: getting seven bells knocked out of you by your wife's incomplete Fleet:cry:, and think how much worse it would be if she also had two more Frigates and Santissima Trinidad also backing her up.:girlie:
Rob.:hatsoff:
Ares has updated the point values .pdf to include the new ships. File can be downloaded here:
http://www.aresgames.eu/11269
Very useful Jim thanks.
I have just downloaded.
Now the real work starts.
Rob.
You'll note very quickly I'm sure that the Santa Ana is ranked one point over HMS Hibernia. Where does that put Santisima Trinidad if/when she comes out I wonder?
A very good question Jim.:shock:
:question:I imagine surrounded by British 74s.:wink:
Rob.
Thank you for the 'Heads up' about the new version of the points table, Jim.
Keeping in mind the difference between HMS Victory and Santissima Trinidads in broadside weight is 40lb and Victory being a better sailer I would say at about that points value. That is of course if Ares doesn't make up unexplainable values for it as was done for Santa Ana.
But I guess they imply that the Spanish should have all bad traits possible for their sailors to make historical outcomes even possible with those stats for the ships...
That opens up a whole extra world of questions Jonas. It depends exactly what type of play individual gamers would prefer. I am against setting artificial stats just to push people into adopting the Special Abilities if they don't want to take them on board. If that were indeed the idea.
Rob.
I don't know much about the Spanish ships, but it seems to me that the game should reflect the ship's innate capabilities, and anything such as rate of fire and handling should be left to the players. I do find the "9" broadside hard to imagine.
From what we know about Spanish gunnery at sea it is ridiculous Dobbs. Or as we would say in the U.K. a trifle hard to swallow old chap.
Rob.
Perhaps someone could run the Hibernia against the Santa Ana and see if the single point is justified. I can't imagine the Hibernia would come off the victor most of the time.
I've dropped an email to Roberto and Andrea to see if they can shed any light on the Santa Ana mystery :)
Thanks Dave.
It is a bit of an interesting situation amongst one or two others.
Rob.
Wasn't there apoint about the larger, very large 3 deckers (Spanish) having trouble opening the lower gunports in anything but good weather for fear of flooding?
A very good point Neil.
I'm sure that we can work some thing around that to make them more player friendly.
Rob.
I'm loathe to go down the Langton route and restrict french Spanish sailing and gunnery whilst enhancing the British et al. Otherwise why choose the nations with no chance. If you want historical accuracy then there's house rules otherwise lets keep it a fair playing field and fun.
I think what sparked this off Neil was the fact that the Spanish new releases seemed to be unfair by being overpowered for the number of guns.
I am now waiting for Dave to get a response from Roberto on his query.
Rob.
Yes, the Spanish is game-wise overpowered and historically-wise overpowered.
I easily forgive game-wise overpowered if motivated by historical facts and I easily forgive if you downgrade historically overpowered for game purposes. What I have a trouble with is unmotivated overpowered ships.
It will be hard to use them ever in any smaller ship on ship encounter due to them being so strong, and in fleet actions they will make for very un-historically balanced scenarios where the very funny historical quote from the Battle of Cape St Vincent never will have it's place.
"There are eight sail of the line, Sir John"
"Very well, sir"
"There are twenty sail of the line, Sir John"
"Very well, sir"
"There are twenty five sail of the line, Sir John"
"Very well, sir"
"There are twenty seven sail of the line, Sir John"
"Enough, sir, no more of that; the die is cast, and if there are fifty sail I will go through them"
Ares version:
"There is a Meregildos, Sir John"
"Very well, sir"
"There are two Meregildos, Sir John"
"Very well, sir"
"There are three Meregildos, Sir John"
"Very well, sir"
"There are four Meregildos, Sir John"
"Enough of this, sir, we will head for home"
By Jove I needed that.:happy::happy::happy:
Bligh.
I won't be getting the Spanish ships any time soon, not enough money at the moment. I will however eagerly read any aar's from you fine people!
If you want an age of sail historical simulation Sails of Glory is not the 'game' for you. You have plenty of other rule sets to choose from (including rules from members of our site I believe?). On the other hand any game that introduces OP elements into the mix where players are consistently opting for the best ships you're at risk of ruining overall game play.
It has to be about balance if you're going to have an engaging game where everyone can have fun.
Do I want to play if the British are always going to win? No.
Do I want to play if the French are always going to win? No.
Do I want to play if the Spanish are always going to win? No.
Feedback from Ares on the Santa Ana will be an interesting read if/when we get anything from them.
Neil,
Some months ago I tried to work out what the formula was that ARES used to determine their ships' broadside strengths. :question: I found that when I calculated in a lesser percent for the lower gun-deck on 1st Rates, hypothetically due to slower reloading time and "rough sea" restrictions, the formula actually matched up with their stats. :hmmm: I recall there were only two ships out of their whole series (and I'm talking from 1st Rates all the way down to their Sloops) that were 1 point less than my formula prescribed ... I don't recall if the two were 1st or 3rd Rates ... regardless, that was an easy fix. :thumbsup:
I don't have my notes immediately at hand but I believe there were three different percentage factors used based on gun weight and perceived reloading speed; deck location was the final factor which "broke the code"! Believe me, I will be pulling them out to evaluate the firepower of these new ships ... especially the 50 gunners ... before I work up their ship mats! :fixit:
Really? :shock: I'm flattered ... no, I'm HONORED! :embarass: I'll accept your nomination, I only hope I can live up to the task if instated. As I've said somewhere before, I've not nearly the knowledge of the period that so many members of this site have.
In the meantime, I think it's time I pop the cork on my Pusser's and pour a glass! Happy New Year!! :happy:
I can't allow the access, but I would PM Keith DB and see if he will do it.
I agree with you that we could do with Mike on the Stats Committee.
Rob.