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Coog
04-02-2013, 23:56
In collecting WWI Wings of War/Glory models, I started out trying to collect at least one of every model and paint sceme plus some extras for repaints. I'm not that interested in the series 5 models and have only purchased a couple so far and not sure if I'll get them all. However when series 6 comes out I'll probably be getting one of every model and paint sceme again. With WWII I've only got the aircraft that interested me and extras of those for repaints. Sails of Glory now raises the question...Do I really want to get everything? What are your plans for Sails of Glory?

The Royal Hajj
04-03-2013, 00:19
I'll get one of every every ship they put out. Not sure I'll be doing any repaints of these, so those would have to wait for an "as needed bases".

RichardPF
04-03-2013, 00:48
I expect that I will be getting a large number of multiples of every model in every paint scheme available.

At this point I have at least two of every WWI Wings models. One for use and one put away.
I mentioned in a previous post that I sometimes look at the put away set and think that I should have purchased more than one set when I could to put "in the closet".
Backfilling to reailze that today would be amazingly expensive; such is the nature of hindsight.
I still buy these at eBay when groups present themselves at prices that aren't too crazy, but that isn't often.

I am not really interested in the WWII Wings stuff that much, but I think I still have at least one of everything just because.
Almost none of them have been opened.

Luckily, this is the only stuff I do this with otherwise everyone would know me from an appearance on that show where people have too much stuff to live in their houses!

I believe that I have read somewhere about the boxes for the ships being somewhere near the size of the WWI bomber boxes. If so, I may still be in big trouble soon...

The Royal Hajj
04-03-2013, 01:01
Richard, I think it was WWII bomber boxes, so a little better :happy:

Jack Aubrey
04-03-2013, 04:34
I am getting one of every model and paint scheme but no extras for repaints. I think that`s ok.

7eat51
04-03-2013, 06:59
At present, I plan on one of each ship in each scheme. If I have the opportunity to run games at local conventions, etc., I will pick up multiple copies of certain ships, but not necessarily for repaints as much as to have a few tables play the same scenario simultaneously, etc. I am not sure about running large-scale engagements until I know how many ships a single person can realistically manage; I don't know if I will have too many groups of 20+ individuals present who will want to play SoG. From what I have seen at local conventions thus far, Warhammer has the best chance of attracting large groups.

David Manley
04-03-2013, 07:16
I am only buying those that interest me.

Of course, at present they all interest me :)

In the future though I suspect my interest will be aimed towards the smeller ship / merchant end of the scale.

Beowulf03809
04-03-2013, 07:21
The last option is probably the most honest answer for me but it should be noted that even that can mean a significant number of ships.

I'm not a collector as much as a gamer. My purchases will be focused on what I need to play the scenarios I enjoy and how my play style develops. This will probably mean I'll get multiples of some ships and even do some repainting but in other cases I may only get a single ship or skip some all together. For Napoleonic I may not get too many Spanish ships, for example, but if SoG expands to Caribbean / Age of Piracy then I'm sure Spanish ships will come more under interest. But I won't just buy new ships for the collection perspective.

GrouperKicker
04-03-2013, 09:06
I guess this is as good a time/location as any to ask this question: From what I have been reading, it seems like Ares stops producing all planes from the previous wave once a new wave is released. Is this true? If so, this may impact my answer.

Cmmdre
04-03-2013, 09:13
I'll probably get two copies of each. One to put away unopened and one for gaming. I thought when I collected Wizkids Pirates that I could say no to series that I didn't like but I ended up getting everything. I'm guessing it will be the same with SoG.

7eat51
04-03-2013, 09:31
Greetings Scott. Welcome to the Anchorage. Head over to the Welcome Aboard forum and start a thread introducing yourself.
http://sailsofglory.org/forumdisplay.php?5-Welcome-Aboard

Where in Illinois do you live?

Horatio
04-03-2013, 10:56
I will probably buy the basic set and a couple of extras.
This is probably heresy, but one sailing ship is pretty much the same as another to me so I don't need to many.
Don

Diamondback
04-03-2013, 16:03
Other: Eventually two of everything except Victory, Constitution and other "multi-stat same-name" packs where I'll only do 1 of each. I urged Andrea to try to pair cards by flag and paintjob so as to save trouble of repaint and reflag, for that very reason... but if I MUST repaint the second set for them to match the Side B cards... well, I'll do it but it ain't gonna be pretty and somebody better pass the Prozac. LOL

What would that make me? (Would rather not, but will repaint as needed only to match released cards.)


I guess this is as good a time/location as any to ask this question: From what I have been reading, it seems like Ares stops producing all planes from the previous wave once a new wave is released. Is this true? If so, this may impact my answer.
Scott, the only WoW set that's been reprinted into WGF/S so far saw just over 1/3 carry-over--the added reprint mini was due to fan outrage over one of the originally proposed new prints; it sounds like "keep one, trade two for new" is the baseline game-plan, and IF I'm understanding Andrea right eventually everybody'll get a turn being reprinted. (Though it may take longer for some "dead-stocked" or "low demand" sculpts than others.) It's not continuous production--each set gets popped for a run of X thousand copies of each, then gets set aside for the next one to be produced, to be rotated back for another run later.

GrouperKicker
04-03-2013, 21:35
Eric: I'm from McHenry, IL.
Diamondback: Thanks for the information on the print runs!

7eat51
04-03-2013, 21:49
Scott, there is a group of northern Illinois and southern Wisconsin folks that get together for WoG. With SoG coming online, the same will be true here. Good folks. Let me know if you're interested, and I'll inform you of get-togethers and events. If you have an interest in WoG, check out the Aerodrome if you're not a member already.

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/content.php

GrouperKicker
04-04-2013, 11:23
Eric: Haven't played WOG, but spent some time staring longingly at it at a somewhat local GS. I'd be interested in finding out where/when the folks in N. Ill and S. WI are getting together for SoG. (I MIGHT try to make Adepticon... looks like some folks may be running WoG there.)

7eat51
04-04-2013, 12:03
Eric: Haven't played WOG, but spent some time staring longingly at it at a somewhat local GS. I'd be interested in finding out where/when the folks in N. Ill and S. WI are getting together for SoG. (I MIGHT try to make Adepticon... looks like some folks may be running WoG there.)

Michael, the guy running the WoG event at Adepticon, hosted the last gathering of players at his house in the western burbs in early March. That was my wife's and my first time meeting the group. Wonderful and gracious folks. Did I mention we had plenty of food and beverages as well. There were many other players in the area who couldn't make it that day, so you are situated quite nicely for a gaming community. I know the future will be filled with a lot of great playing time and socializing. When I get back from work, I will check on any upcoming dates and post them here for you.

Andy Blozinski
04-05-2013, 22:23
I need to up my pledge level, but this is probably what I'm going to get so far:

Lt Level
Captain & Crew Ability Deck Option, (1) free, Quantity (1) + (2) = (3) Total
Game Mat Option, Quantity: (2)
Attitude Indicator Option, (1) free, Quantity: (1) +(2) = (3) Total
Combat Ruler Option, (1) free, Quantity: (1) +(1) = (2) Total
Terrain Pack #1 Option, (1) free, Quantity: (1)
Terrain Pack #2 Option, (1) free, Quantity: (1)
HMS Victory + USS Constitution Combo Option, Quantity (1)
Embuscade (Ship Pack), Quantity: (1)
HMS Cleopatra (Ship Pack), Quantity: (1)
Additional Counters Option, Quantity: (1)


I'll likely up the mats to (3) and if smoke markers come out, I'm getting a bunch of those if they look good. I might get a few more combat rulers too. I'm undecided on getting the extra frigates. I need some playtest feedback on the forum to determine that for purposes of time load on an individual player.

Coog
04-06-2013, 07:39
I need to up my pledge level, but this is probably what I'm going to get so far:

Lt Level
Captain & Crew Ability Deck Option, (1) free, Quantity (1) + (2) = (3) Total
Game Mat Option, Quantity: (2)
Attitude Indicator Option, (1) free, Quantity: (1) +(2) = (3) Total
Combat Ruler Option, (1) free, Quantity: (1) +(1) = (2) Total
Terrain Pack #1 Option, (1) free, Quantity: (1)
Terrain Pack #2 Option, (1) free, Quantity: (1)
HMS Victory + USS Constitution Combo Option, Quantity (1)
Embuscade (Ship Pack), Quantity: (1)
HMS Cleopatra (Ship Pack), Quantity: (1)
Additional Counters Option, Quantity: (1)


I'll likely up the mats to (3) and if smoke markers come out, I'm getting a bunch of those if they look good. I might get a few more combat rulers too. I'm undecided on getting the extra frigates. I need some playtest feedback on the forum to determine that for purposes of time load on an individual player.

Looks like you will have plenty of stuff for a large game, perhaps at Millenniumcon?

Andy Blozinski
04-06-2013, 10:37
Yes. I plan on running it at MillenniumCon. Always at OwlCon. I keep forgetting the name of the San Antonio convention, but I'll probably run it there too. If the wife and kiddo want to visit relatives, I'll run it at the D/FW con too.
I'm not sure what constitutes a large game yet. I'm wondering if I'll need to have players running double ships to keep them busy enough. With the current old school rules I use, one ship is all they should have and that was the intention. If Sails of Glory is easy enough and if there is enough physical space for the logs, I'm thinking it would be cool to have everyone running two ships each. Sometimes I'll run the Formula D race car game and it's a lot more fun when you have two cars. Same with Check Your 6! air combat. If you have two, then if something bad happens to one of them, you're still in the game and having fun.

7eat51
04-06-2013, 11:15
If Sails of Glory is easy enough and if there is enough physical space for the logs, I'm thinking it would be cool to have everyone running two ships each.

If it plays similarly to WoG, that should be no problem. Given that the game is new, smaller actions might be a good approach the first few times running an event.

Coog
04-06-2013, 14:14
Yes. I plan on running it at MillenniumCon. Always at OwlCon. I keep forgetting the name of the San Antonio convention, but I'll probably run it there too. If the wife and kiddo want to visit relatives, I'll run it at the D/FW con too.
I'm not sure what constitutes a large game yet. I'm wondering if I'll need to have players running double ships to keep them busy enough. With the current old school rules I use, one ship is all they should have and that was the intention. If Sails of Glory is easy enough and if there is enough physical space for the logs, I'm thinking it would be cool to have everyone running two ships each. Sometimes I'll run the Formula D race car game and it's a lot more fun when you have two cars. Same with Check Your 6! air combat. If you have two, then if something bad happens to one of them, you're still in the game and having fun.

I usually make Milleniumcon every year. Since everything is held at the hotel, my wife loves it as she can take the car and run around Austin. I look forward to playing in your game. I should have been able to run several games by then at the Dallas Games Marathon and will be able to help out with new players if you would like.

Andy Blozinski
04-06-2013, 16:12
When I run Formula D, I run it as two races in a single convention time slot. First race is a single lap street race for an introduction. Second race is on the Formula 1 track and how many laps depends on how much time and players we have.
With only vague knowledge on hand, I'm thinking I might be able to do something similar with Sails of Glory. First battle is single ship per player basic face-off fight. Second game is two ships per player and maybe do a convoy intercept/escort setting. If someone really doesn't want to play two ships, I have several options. An easy one is to hand that person the Victory. If there is an odd number of players, I could hand someone the Constitution and call it a pirate who has no friends just to screw with the situation. These thoughts fell apart when I remembered the Victory and Constitution won't be out until January...darnit. That's the primary reason I'm looking into getting a few extra ships right now. With the eight I get at Lieutenant level, that's only 4 people running double ships. Cons prefer you can handle at least 6 in a slot.

Ayeblackbart
04-12-2013, 18:55
I"m a gamer with a serious collection addiction. I will get one of every ship.

Cmmdre
04-12-2013, 19:35
:minis:Me too. I share your joy, I know your pain. Addiction is a serous matter. I can't say no to little ships of the age of sail. :moneygone:

[Blue Jacket] R.I.P.
04-13-2013, 15:24
I always follow the Pokemon approach, gotta catch 'em all! :happy:

Andy Blozinski
04-13-2013, 23:27
Here's my latest list:
Captain & Crew Ability Deck Option, (1) free, Quantity (1) + (2) = (3) Total
Game Mat Option, (1) free, Quantity: (1) + (2) = (3) total
Attitude Indicator Option, (1) free, Quantity: (1) +(2) = (3) Total
Combat Ruler Option, (1) free, Quantity: (1) +(3) = (4) Total
Smoke Clouds Option, (2) pair free, Quantity: (2) +(1) = (3) pair Total
Terrain Pack #1 Option, (1) free, Quantity: (1)
Terrain Pack #2 Option, (1) free, Quantity: (1)
HMS Victory + USS Constitution Combo Option, Quantity (1)
Embuscade (Ship Pack), Quantity: (1)
HMS Cleopatra (Ship Pack), Quantity: (1)
Additional Counters Option, Quantity: (1)

pward
04-14-2013, 14:47
My plans are to get one of everything, as I will approach this game as a collection as well as a game.

David Manley
04-14-2013, 14:51
Looks like I'll be getting two extra mats since I've just realised I can't spend my extra $40 for being a Worldwide Captain on the Vic and Connie :(

Old Salt
04-14-2013, 21:22
Not sure what I will buy . It's a wait and see who would be intersted in my area. If it's like WOG won't need much. I now supply 90% of planes and whatever to make WoG happen so will not do the same for SoG

7eat51
04-14-2013, 21:28
Commodore with all the freebies
USS Constitution
HMS Victory
2 additional mats
Maybe an additional deck or 2

This should give me plenty to start hosting games at LFGS and local cons

Diamondback
04-16-2013, 14:12
For at the moment $723...


Item
In Pledge
Add-on
Total


Starter
2
0
2


Set of 4 Kickstarter Exclusives
2
0
2


Set of 8 Singles Packs
2
0
2


HMS Victory
0
1
1


USS Constitution
0
1
1


Game Mat
2
2
4


Attitude Indicator
2
0
2


Combat Ruler
2
0
2


Capt/Crew Deck
4
7
11


Terrain Pack 1
4
0
4


Terrain Pack 2
4
0
4


Smoke Packs
4
0
4


A, B & E Bags
2
3
5


C & D Bags
0
5
5


Extra Counter Set
2
1
3


Given that I only expect to need NINE Crew decks, now I need to figure out what to reallocate the $10 for 2 of 'em to... and I may need to figure out something similar for the $16 for two sets of C&D bags if we can get another $3400 raised in the next 107 minutes.

The Royal Hajj
04-16-2013, 15:52
With the size games you are looking to run, I'd say another AI and CR.

Diamondback
04-16-2013, 16:08
Game? Game? Who said anything about a game? LOL My extra chits and bags are stockpiling things I may not be able to get later for Waves 2 and 3... :) AI's, CR's and smoke I know will be available later, and I'll mop up the crew decks for Wave 2 at BoardGameGeek.

Ended up adding another six bucks to make a total of six bag sets and four extra counter sets.

Gunner
09-02-2013, 01:57
One of each to keep. One of each to wargame with and one (at least) of each for repaints, after I throw out a bed in an extra room to make room for this stuff.:moneygone:

Naharaht
09-03-2013, 21:20
My problem is going to be storing all these plane and ship models in my house.

Capn Duff
10-20-2013, 07:33
My intention is to get enough ships of the "main" combatants of the area
I am interested in, 7yw, Revolutionary & Napoleonic wars.
So looking at around. Half doz SOL for British, French & Spanish navies

Capn Duff
10-20-2013, 07:33
My intention is to get enough ships of the "main" combatants of the area
I am interested in, 7yw, Revolutionary & Napoleonic wars.
So looking at around. Half doz SOL for British, French & Spanish navies

Diamondback
10-20-2013, 19:23
Let me make this easy: Two of EVERYTHING, as long as they're doing double-sided cards.

RichardPF
10-21-2013, 01:54
My problem is going to be storing all these plane and ship models in my house.

We solved that problem by buying a new house with a formal gaming (er, dining) room.

Comte de Brueys
10-22-2013, 18:54
Huge orders comrades... :erk:

I ordered a starter set in Germany and an additional French SoL and a French frigate.

Future orders will be HMS Victory (and I hope for a French 1st rate).

Gunner
10-22-2013, 20:20
Huge orders comrades... :erk:

I ordered a starter set in Germany and an additional French SoL and a French frigate.

Future orders will be HMS Victory (and I hope for a French 1st rate).

Smart move, ordering two French 74's and frigates and one British 74 and frigate.
Evens the odds.:takecover:

7eat51
10-22-2013, 21:10
Smart move, ordering two French 74's and frigates and one British 74 and frigate.
Evens the odds.

Ed, why is it that whenever I log on, you usually have a post that makes me laugh. :hatsoff:

Coog
10-22-2013, 21:15
But what will happen when the American 44 is introduced? We will need additional British ships as they will only engage it with a squadron!:smack:

7eat51
10-22-2013, 21:21
But what will happen when the American 44 is introduced? We will need additional British ships as they will only engage it with a squadron!:smack:

I really hope the Constitution will be on schedule. I am looking forward to playing some 1812 scenarios.

David Manley
10-22-2013, 22:41
But what will happen when the American 44 is introduced? We will need additional British ships as they will only engage it with a squadron!:smack:

Or an Endymion :drinks::happy:

I hear the flip side ship is going to be HMS President
《ducks!》:happy::rum:

David Manley
10-22-2013, 22:45
PS some thoughts coming on possible better representation of actions such as frigates and big 44s and SOLs (which I think our US chums will like) coming when I get a PC to work on and not just a phone

Gunner
10-22-2013, 23:37
Ed, why is it that whenever I log on, you usually have a post that makes me laugh. :hatsoff:

Whenever I log on, you usually have a post that I learn from.
I spent my Juvy, I mean juvenile years in Chicago. We must have the same take on humor.

Coog
10-22-2013, 23:41
Unfortunately I don't think we will see any War of 1812 ships, other than the somewhat currently out of place 44, until 2015 at the earliest and more likely 2016. Wave 2 seems to be already planned and should be coming out in 2014. I don't know if Ares has any ideas on where they are going with wave 3.

Gunner
10-22-2013, 23:44
Or an Endymion :drinks::happy:

I hear the flip side ship is going to be HMS President
《ducks!》:happy::rum:

You would think that after 200 years, we would have learned not to be so cocky.:hmmm:

David Manley
10-23-2013, 00:17
You would think that after 200 years, we would have learned not to be so cocky.:hmmm:

Or to take life too seriously :happy:

Coog
10-23-2013, 00:34
While we're talking about War of 1812, how much alike in appearance were the Lively and Leda class 38-gun frigates?

David Manley
10-23-2013, 00:53
While we're talking about War of 1812, how much alike in appearance were the Lively and Leda class 38-gun frigates?

Easily close enough. Ledas were 4' shorter, outward appearance very similar. My Langton generic British 38 has doubled for Macedonian, Shannon and others many times.

Coog
10-23-2013, 01:24
Easily close enough. Ledas were 4' shorter, outward appearance very similar. My Langton generic British 38 has doubled for Macedonian, Shannon and others many times.

I was thinking of what ships Ares could use for the War of 1812. For the British 38-gun frigates would be a must. If they could merge classes, notable 38's such as Shannon and Macedonian could be produced. A U.S. flagged Macedonian could be produced, as well as the British, if Ares wanted something different. Unfortunately Java and Guerriere were French built.

With the 44 already being produced, the U.S. 38's would be logical. There would be no problem with Congress and Constellation but Chesapeake was a bit smaller being 12 feet shorter and 22 tons lighter. However at 1/1000 scale the size difference might not be that significant so that a third variant could be produced.

A British sloop would be appropriate and the Cruizer class brig-sloop would be most appropriate with a large number of names to chose from.

A U.S. sloop would need to be done with the early Wasp and Hornet being the choice. A British flagged Wasp could be produced to give three versions. While the early U.S. sloops had an advantage over the British brigs, the large 1813 ship-sloops would be way too powerful against the brigs.

Two special production ships could also be done. Essex comes to mind with cards for the 32-pounder carronade laden version and the earlier 12-pounder frigate. Endymion would be an excellent choice to offset the U.S. 44's.

DeRuyter
10-23-2013, 11:23
Or an Endymion :drinks::happy:

I hear the flip side ship is going to be HMS President
《ducks!》:happy::rum:

LOL! Good one.

:clap:

DeRuyter
10-23-2013, 11:31
I was thinking of what ships Ares could use for the War of 1812. For the British 38-gun frigates would be a must. If they could merge classes, notable 38's such as Shannon and Macedonian could be produced. A U.S. flagged Macedonian could be produced, as well as the British, if Ares wanted something different. Unfortunately Java and Guerriere were French built.

With the 44 already being produced, the U.S. 38's would be logical. There would be no problem with Congress and Constellation but Chesapeake was a bit smaller being 12 feet shorter and 22 tons lighter. However at 1/1000 scale the size difference might not be that significant so that a third variant could be produced.

A British sloop would be appropriate and the Cruizer class brig-sloop would be most appropriate with a large number of names to chose from.

A U.S. sloop would need to be done with the early Wasp and Hornet being the choice. A British flagged Wasp could be produced to give three versions. While the early U.S. sloops had an advantage over the British brigs, the large 1813 ship-sloops would be way too powerful against the brigs.

Two special production ships could also be done. Essex comes to mind with cards for the 32-pounder carronade laden version and the earlier 12-pounder frigate. Endymion would be an excellent choice to offset the U.S. 44's.

I think it is the smaller brigs and ship-sloops that will be a long way off, if they produce them at all. I think the more numerous frigate classes will be done, French 40s, British 38s, which as David noted can be doubled as US frigates, and maybe 28s (Surprise!).

Eric

Comte de Brueys
10-23-2013, 11:37
But what will happen when the American 44 is introduced? We will need additional British ships as they will only engage it with a squadron!:smack:

Question is if the rules and stats allow you to beat two RN frigates with a Constitution class, Bobby.

Same for two French SoL that want to compete versus a single RN SoL looking for prey. :erk:

Gunner
10-23-2013, 12:34
Has anyone seen what the ships card for the Constitution looks like?

David Manley
10-23-2013, 15:24
Yes but I am sworn to secrecy at this time

David Manley
10-23-2013, 15:27
I was thinking of what ships Ares could use for the War of 1812. For the British 38-gun frigates would be a must. If they could merge classes, notable 38's such as Shannon and Macedonian could be produced. A U.S. flagged Macedonian could be produced, as well as the British, if Ares wanted something different. Unfortunately Java and Guerriere were French built.

With the 44 already being produced, the U.S. 38's would be logical. There would be no problem with Congress and Constellation but Chesapeake was a bit smaller being 12 feet shorter and 22 tons lighter. However at 1/1000 scale the size difference might not be that significant so that a third variant could be produced.

A British sloop would be appropriate and the Cruizer class brig-sloop would be most appropriate with a large number of names to chose from.

A U.S. sloop would need to be done with the early Wasp and Hornet being the choice. A British flagged Wasp could be produced to give three versions. While the early U.S. sloops had an advantage over the British brigs, the large 1813 ship-sloops would be way too powerful against the brigs.

Two special production ships could also be done. Essex comes to mind with cards for the 32-pounder carronade laden version and the earlier 12-pounder frigate. Endymion would be an excellent choice to offset the U.S. 44's.

Still think if they had gone down this route and done it in time for 2012 they would've cleaned up.

David Manley
10-23-2013, 15:28
I think it is the smaller brigs and ship-sloops that will be a long way off, if they produce them at all. I think the more numerous frigate classes will be done, French 40s, British 38s, which as David noted can be doubled as US frigates, and maybe 28s (Surprise!).

Eric

IIRC There are brigs coming in a future wave

Coog
10-23-2013, 15:44
I was thinking it was somewhere on the site that a British ship-sloop of the same period as the wave 1 ships was going to be in wave 2.

csadn
10-23-2013, 16:31
Two special production ships could also be done. Essex comes to mind with cards for the 32-pounder carronade laden version and the earlier 12-pounder frigate. Endymion would be an excellent choice to offset the U.S. 44's.

A thought re _Essex_: On one side, the mostly-carronade version everyone's familiar with; on the other, the gun loadout it was originally built with (26 long-12s on the main deck; 16 carronade-24s on the spar deck). From what I've read, the rearming not only crippled its long-range-fighting ability, it also bollocked the sailing qualities.

Myself: I want to see a "Great Lakes War" expansion, with the ship sets for Put-In Bay and Lake Champlain (I know this isn't technically a G.L., but it's close enough :) ).

_Endymion_ would have to be produced in a 3-pack.... ;)

Пилот
11-25-2013, 16:37
Well, I voted "Only models that interest me", but we all know what it actualy means...

Coog
11-25-2013, 16:49
Myself: I want to see a "Great Lakes War" expansion, with the ship sets for Put-In Bay and Lake Champlain (I know this isn't technically a G.L., but it's close enough :) ).

I think one of the problems with producing ships for either war on the Great Lakes would be that there was no uniformity in ship sizes and construction. Almost every ship was unique.

Blackrose
11-25-2013, 17:46
Agreed; the Great Lakes battles will almost certainly have to be home-brewed.
Karl

kenji
09-13-2014, 09:12
I try to tell myself that I am a wargamer and not a collector.

Therefore if this logic holds true I only need the ships that I will game.

Unfortunately I am not a logical person :shock:

My biggest worry is that Ares will cut back on producing and enhancing SGN now that I am just getting into the game :sad:

Cmmdre
09-13-2014, 14:51
I try to tell myself that I am a wargamer and not a collector.

Therefore if this logic holds true I only need the ships that I will game.

Unfortunately I am not a logical person :shock:

My biggest worry is that Ares will cut back on producing and enhancing SGN now that I am just getting into the game :sad:

Tough decision to grapple with complete, incomplete. The latter word just sounds bad. I prefer the former - complete. Has a nice ring to it. :minis: :moneygone:

ChyronDave
09-13-2014, 15:16
I pretty much plan on just getting one of every ship as they come out and none for repaints. Considering how many other miniatures games I'm interested in (or will be once I either check out the rules more or they are actually released), it should make things a bit affordable.

Arakus
09-13-2014, 15:23
Goal is to have 3 of all ships, 2 will be modded to represent the two sides of the shipcard, one will stay in original shape.
My problem is i only have 2 kickstarter sets....

But i don't mod them, for modded version of them i use other ships from the same model and use only the cards so i will have the original ships safe.

kenji
09-29-2014, 08:59
Unfortunately I don't think we will see any War of 1812 ships, other than the somewhat currently out of place 44, until 2015 at the earliest and more likely 2016. Wave 2 seems to be already planned and should be coming out in 2014. I don't know if Ares has any ideas on where they are going with wave 3.

Let's hope to God that there is even going to be a Wave 3 :question:

Pappy Liam
09-29-2014, 12:40
I am crossing my fingers. Really want the full US forces. 1812 and beyond, maybe some day even ironclads???? Civil war?

Amara
03-18-2015, 05:50
This is missing an option: I'm grabbing two of every model, to max out the number of different ships, and going beyond that (mostly with third-rates) to fill out fleets sufficient to fight prominent battles.

Actually, I'm only grabbing one of each frigate, though -- I already have more RN and French frigates than I'll ever need to fight even the most frigate-intensive battle. I may use the surplus for repaints.

Amara
03-18-2015, 05:56
I think one of the problems with producing ships for either war on the Great Lakes would be that there was no uniformity in ship sizes and construction. Almost every ship was unique.

The other problem is that an Age of Sail rule set can be good at fighting Trafalgar, or good at fighting Lake Erie, but not both. You need more detail to do 1812 right, but you need faster play per ship to be able to do 25-30 of the line per side without hopelessly bogging down.

Diamondback
03-18-2015, 07:49
Rewinding a bit...


I was thinking of what ships Ares could use for the War of 1812. For the British 38-gun frigates would be a must. If they could merge classes, notable 38's such as Shannon and Macedonian could be produced. A U.S. flagged Macedonian could be produced, as well as the British, if Ares wanted something different. Unfortunately Java and Guerriere were French built.
Java was also a Hebe derivative just like the Ledas, and Guerriere is a very close match on dimensions despite being a one-off. I'm somewhat reluctant to commit to it without a draught, but for now I've penciled Guerriere in alongside Macedonian and Shannon as SGN105 reprints. Irony is the same design family making up the backbone of the frigate forces for both sides in the Napoleonic Wars...


With the 44 already being produced, the U.S. 38's would be logical. There would be no problem with Congress and Constellation but Chesapeake was a bit smaller being 12 feet shorter and 22 tons lighter. However at 1/1000 scale the size difference might not be that significant so that a third variant could be produced.
12' ~=3mm in scale. My penciled-out group for the 38s was Congress/Chesapeake, Constellation/Philadelphia and a blank-back HMS Chesapeake for the third.


A British sloop would be appropriate and the Cruizer class brig-sloop would be most appropriate with a large number of names to chose from.

A U.S. sloop would need to be done with the early Wasp and Hornet being the choice. A British flagged Wasp could be produced to give three versions. While the early U.S. sloops had an advantage over the British brigs, the large 1813 ship-sloops would be way too powerful against the brigs.
Rub is, as with the entire line, coming up with enough ship names to make three double-sided SKU's on the latter... unless we can get Ares to get over their obsession with it. Both Cruizer and the later Peacock group had relatives on the Great Lakes and had relatives in both ship and brig rigs, so I would tool these two hull sculpts with sockets for both--see my "Brainstorming the War of 1812" thread.

Bligh
06-24-2015, 02:52
At last after a year of actually collecting the ships I can answer this question.
The ships I feel that I need to carry out typical actions of the period.
At present this includes all the First and third rate models, plus a few duplicates, and five Frigates for each side, plus a sloop for French and English.
My main intent is now to beef up my Spanish as they are released, get the next wave of ships with different broadsides, and look forward to the advent of Merchantmen.
Rob.

KDz
03-07-2016, 03:55
My answer: I am only getting the models that interest me
Why? The game is't cheap in my country. :sad: