On This Day 29th November

[David Manley]

1779 - HMS Prospertine captured the French Sphinx 12 miles SE of Monserrat

1811 - HMShips Alceste, Active, Acorn and Unite captured the French frigates Pomone and Persanne 15 miles NE of Pelagos island, Dalmatia. A third French frigate, Pauline, escaped.

[Coog]

1811 - HMShips Alceste, Active, Acorn and Unite captured the French frigates Pomone and Persanne 15 miles NE of Pelagos island, Dalmatia. A third French frigate, Pauline, escaped.

Here is an article on the action with information on the ships involved. It could be used as a game scenerio with some modification as the British have a definite advantage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_of_29_November_1811

[Anav]

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[Berthier]

Hey David that's a beautiful ship in your new avatar. Who is she?

[David Manley]

Hey David that's a beautiful ship in your new avatar. Who is she?

She's the Type 45 destroyer HMS Daring (D32), a ship where I have had (and continue to have) a very deep personal interest and involvement in the design and construction :)

[Berthier]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Daring_%28D32%29

Interesting ship!

[Comte de Brueys]

Indee a nice ship.

http://sailsofglory.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1679&d=1354277461

HMS Daring


I checked the net and I'm afraid that the German Marine has no destroyer class ships. Maybe we can compare this ship with the destroyer: A brunswick calss corvette or Braunschweig-Klasse.

http://sailsofglory.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1678&d=1354277461

German Braunschweig Klasse Korvette

[David Manley]

No, the German equivalent of the Darings are the F-124 Sachsen class frigates (both classes are primarily area air defence ships)

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The K-130 Brarunschweigs are corvettes designed for operations closer to the littoral (e.g. the Baltic) rather than blue water ops. the RN doesn't have a comparable class as there's no equivalent role (the K-130s replace the S-148 fast attack craft and similar types)

[Comte de Brueys]

OK, david.

I have to check the datas of all three ship types.

Destroyers, corvettes and frigates.

Are there actual cruisers in the Royal Navy? Does this ship type exist anymore?

[csadn]

Does this ship type exist anymore?

The US has cruisers, altho' for P******** reasons, they are referred to as "destroyers" (easier to fund a smaller class of ship).

Note the relatives sizes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ticonderoga_class_cruiser
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arleigh_Burke_class_destroyer .

[David Manley]

Several nations build destroyers today that are bigger than WW2 cruisers, and which perform largely the same missions in some circumstances. T45 for instance is nearly 150 metres long and displaces more than an RN WW2 light cruiser. The USN did designate some of its larger ships as cruisers before rerating them as "frigates". And the UK's Invincible class was originally referred to as an ASW Cruiser (this was the source of the urban myth that they were called "through deck cruisers" to confuse politicians into not realising they were aircraft carriers - thats about as accurate as aluminium superstructures being the cause of the loss of Sheffield in the Falklands :) )

DDG-1000 is well into cruiser territory :)

[Comte de Brueys]

How do they keep an overview over the different classes?

The DDG-1000 is called a destroyer, too.

So you really have to check - what kind of ship & what nation. Otherwise there will be a nasty suprise:

"Hoho only a DDG-1000 - destroyer" - I've got two corvetts and will sink this little one easy.";)

[David Manley]

How do they keep an overview over the different classes?

It varies. Some nations designate by role. In the RN frigates are general purpose warships with an ASW bias, whereas destroyers are primarily air defence ships with some GP capability. so in the 70s and 80s we had Type 22 frigates that were rather larger than T42 destroyers.

Easiest way to keep tabs on things is to make sure your subscription to Janes is up to date :)

[csadn]

So you really have to check - what kind of ship & what nation. Otherwise there will be a nasty suprise:

"Hoho only a DDG-1000 - destroyer" - I've got two corvetts and will sink this little one easy.";)

Which brings us back to the War of 1812.... >;)

[Berthier]

Congratulations on your promotion to 2nd Lt David!