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Comte de Brueys
07-30-2012, 08:53
From Ares Games:

The first series of Sails of Glory products will include four models –frigates of the Concorde and Amazon classes, and ships of the line of the Temeraire and Arrogant classes. Each model will be presented in four different variants, for a total of eight French ships and eight British ships.

So they introduce frigates from the very first release.

Think I have to wait a little bit longer for my French 1st rate.:p

http://sailsofglory.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1286&d=1343659975

Capt P
07-30-2012, 15:41
As in the Areodrome I just wish for the models. I am not as talanted as most in here painting ships ( WWII tanks I can paint). Looking forward to the game and having fun.

Comte de Brueys
07-31-2012, 01:10
What nations used Concorde and Amazon class frigates, too?

Are these ships perfect repaint models?

csadn
07-31-2012, 14:32
What nations used Concorde and Amazon class frigates, too?

France, and Britain, respectively. The French unit appears to have been a one-off; there were at least three _Amazon_ classes in the period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_frigate_Concorde_%281793%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_class_frigate

The main notable action of the _Amazon_ class was this colossal cock-up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_of_14_December_1798 .

Capt P
08-01-2012, 15:15
From what I saw the Concorde was a NYMPHE class frigate of which there were 4.

Demiurgo
08-05-2012, 05:50
Be careful, there are MANY ships with the same names! We are doing four ships of the CONCORDE class (three French, plus one British), which include La Concorde, Courageuse, Hermione and HMS Concorde. These are 32-guns frigates, just like those in the AMAZON class (which will feature three French and one British).
Using at least one version for captured ship, you can field at least 4 different French ships and 4 different British ships even if we've got just 4 models in total!

1st rateFrench and British SOL will be featured in the 2nd group of ships (due for release 3-4 months after the initial release), together with a sloop and a frigate slightly larger than those in the first group.

Coog
08-05-2012, 10:02
Be careful, there are MANY ships with the same names! We are doing four ships of the CONCORDE class (three French, plus one British), which include La Concorde, Courageuse, Hermione and HMS Concorde. These are 32-guns frigates, just like those in the AMAZON class (which will feature three French and one British).
Using at least one version for captured ship, you can field at least 4 different French ships and 4 different British ships even if we've got just 4 models in total!

1st rateFrench and British SOL will be featured in the 2nd group of ships (due for release 3-4 months after the initial release), together with a sloop and a frigate slightly larger than those in the first group.

Are there any U. S. ships planned? A U. S. 44 would be a big seller in the U. S. but of course it could not be used for ships of other nationalities. A British 38 or ship rigged flush-decked sloop could easily be used as American in the proper paint scheme.

David Manley
08-05-2012, 10:26
Last time I chatted with Roberto the answer was yes (of course at the time I was hoping the starter set was going to be two US frigates and two British for a "War of 1812" starter set, but it was not to be)

Actually you could make two British ships from a US 44 (not that they existed at the same time of course, and the second would be a bit outside the timeframe of the game.....) :)

David Manley
08-05-2012, 10:27
1st rate French and British SOL will be featured in the 2nd group of ships (due for release 3-4 months after the initial release), together with a sloop and a frigate slightly larger than those in the first group.

Excellent news, and despite the scale change you just know I'll be getting some of these, don't you? :D

csadn
08-05-2012, 21:56
Actually you could make two British ships from a US 44 (not that they existed at the same time of course, and the second would be a bit outside the timeframe of the game.....) :)

One -- and it never saw combat under its new owner [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_President_%281800%29 ].

The others were a 38 (which also never saw combat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Chesapeake_%281799%29 ), and a 32 "light frigate" which was only ever used as a prison hulk ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Essex_%281799%29 ).

So Coog is quite correct: US frigates can only ever be used as US frigates.... >;)

David Manley
08-06-2012, 09:36
Not quite. Remember the RN built a copy (HMS President) which is the "out of timeframe" one I mentioned, but that said the rules should be perfectly capable of running with games up to the 1830s :)

and in a gaming environment that encourages the use of things like this that never flew,

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h379/Revchaos/Forssman%20Tri/2012-08-03_17-40-04_792.jpg

one could easily be excused for having the RN recommision a prize that they otherwise didn't bother with :)

csadn
08-06-2012, 15:19
Not quite. Remember the RN built a copy (HMS President) which is the "out of timeframe" one I mentioned, but that said the rules should be perfectly capable of running with games up to the 1830s

Hmm -- I suppose it would have to be a "hypothetical" action, as the ship in question saw little to no action:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_President_%281829%29

(and I doubt the game will have rules for "admiral commits suicide halfway through scenario"... :P ).

David Manley
08-06-2012, 15:54
Hmm -- I suppose it would have to be a "hypothetical" action, as the ship in question saw little to no action

Thats what wargamers are all about. Just think how badly of all those wargamers keen on fighting out NATO vs. WARPAC games would be if you were tied to real world cases only? Sheesh, all that money I'd have wasted on those M60A2s. Anyway, I've run some interesting anti slavery campaigns games in the past. Funny, until now I've not thought of including President in the RN's OOB.


and I doubt the game will have rules for "admiral commits suicide halfway through scenario"

Scenario specific rule :)

Comte de Brueys
08-07-2012, 05:27
1st rateFrench and British SOL will be featured in the 2nd group of ships (due for release 3-4 months after the initial release), together with a sloop and a frigate slightly larger than those in the first group.

Cool - 1st rates!

Comte de Brueys
08-07-2012, 05:29
Are there any U. S. ships planned? A U. S. 44 would be a big seller in the U. S. but of course it could not be used for ships of other nationalities. A British 38 or ship rigged flush-decked sloop could easily be used as American in the proper paint scheme.

The USS Constitution is a "must have".

A frigate to mess with the British.;)

csadn
08-07-2012, 15:47
The USS Constitution is a "must have".

A frigate to mess with the British.;)

"Frigate" -- more like "Pocket ship-of-the-line". >;)

And, like the Gas Mask card in _PHART!: The Dispersing_: "I seem to recall only one of these in any navy -- and *I* have it." >;)

Comte de Brueys
08-07-2012, 22:58
:D

This ship has potential to become the series II Goering for Sails of Glory!



Dopy comparison - I know...:p

David Manley
08-07-2012, 23:19
"Pocket ship-of-the-line"

Not a good comparison to make - the WW2 bearers of that similar nickname were rather disappointing :)

(actually I can think of one good comparison, but not that flattering). I'd see them more of a WW2 cruiser in a "Brooklyn" kind of sense.


This ship has potential to become the series II Goering for Sails of Glory!

Hopefully you are not alluding to its rarity value and the impossibility of obtaining one without shelling out silly money? Last one i saw going on Ebay went for over 60 quid. I'd hope Ares production and distribution system will make that thing a thing of the past :)

csadn
08-08-2012, 14:34
Not a good comparison to make - the WW2 bearers of that similar nickname were rather disappointing :)

Well, yes -- but then, consider who ordered them built: An Army Infantry corporal.... >;)

David Manley
08-08-2012, 14:42
For junior NCOs those corporals caused a lot of aggro!

Comte de Brueys
08-09-2012, 08:55
I found a pocket battleship...

http://sailsofglory.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1321&d=1344524106

David Manley
08-09-2012, 10:56
Me too :)

1323

I have a copy of the British damage survey of the wreck (as well as a copy of the damage reports for the three British cruisers in my library at work - fascinating stuff!)

csadn
08-09-2012, 17:17
So have I -- two of 'em, in fact:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_101II-MN-1038-06,_Kiel,_Schwerer_Kreuzer_%22L%C3%BCtzow%22.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Admiral_Scheer_capsized.jpg

[Jeremy Clarkson] Oh dear.... [/Jeremy Clarkson]

David Manley
08-09-2012, 22:13
re the first one. The Germans really did have severe structural issues with sterns. IIRC post war US warship design practice includes features specifically to prevent this kind of failure, based on exploitation of German experiences.

Comte de Brueys
08-10-2012, 00:59
Dreadful Allies... :p

;)

David Manley
08-10-2012, 01:55
Yeah, sorry about that. And Admiral Scheel was such a nice ship (one of my favourite 1/1200 models is Admiral Scheer in her "Operation Rosselsprung" scheme)

csadn
08-10-2012, 21:56
re the first one. The Germans really did have severe structural issues with sterns.

Yup -- Ballard noted _Bismarck_'s wreck was missing some 50' off the stern.