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Redcoat
01-04-2017, 05:27
Hello all, I add some photos about my lastest work, a russian fleet formed by 1 ship of 100 guns, 4 ships of 74 guns, 1 ship of 66 guns, 1 ship of 62 guns, 1 ship of 50 guns, 1 frigate of 44 guns and 1 frigate of 44 guns.

I hope you like them.

I also did a video about this fleet.

Best regards,
Julián

VIDEO ( WITH MUSIC):


https://www.facebook.com/624376867603285/videos/1486518751389088/

PHOTOS:

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Bligh
01-04-2017, 13:31
Most impressive as usual Julián.
I really must find out more about the Russian Navy.
It did not figure largely in our Naval history lessons at school.
Rob.

TexaS
01-04-2017, 22:54
Beautiful ships! Absolutely wonderful fleet!

Naharaht
01-05-2017, 02:08
Tremendous work, as always, Julian! :clap:

Redcoat
01-05-2017, 03:22
Most impressive as usual Julián.
I really must find out more about the Russian Navy.
It did not figure largely in our Naval history lessons at school.
Rob.
Thank you Rob, there is little information on the web about the Russian fleet.

Redcoat
01-05-2017, 03:24
Beautiful ships! Absolutely wonderful fleet!

Thank you Jonas, In a few months I will start a Swedish fleet ... I will have to go thinking soundtrack :happy:

Redcoat
01-05-2017, 03:24
Tremendous work, as always, Julian! :clap:

Thank you David:beer:

Bligh
01-05-2017, 03:45
Thank you Rob, there is little information on the web about the Russian fleet.

Just as I feared Julián.
Amazon had no books on the subject either.
Rob.

David Manley
01-05-2017, 09:00
Search for "Russian Warships in the Age of Sail 1696-1860: Design, Construction, Careers and Fates" by Eduard Sozaev, published by Seaforth.

Bligh
01-05-2017, 09:21
Cheers!
Dave to the rescue again.:salute:
Rob.

Bligh
01-05-2017, 09:49
Speedyhen had it in for £28.69. as opposed to Amazon's £50.00, Dave.
I should have thought of them first.
Rob.

David Manley
01-05-2017, 10:45
Here's the cover if anyone is interested......

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91lOunxbwOL.jpg

Bligh
01-05-2017, 13:36
Are those hulls black with a greenish hue, or green with a blackish shade?

Rob.:wink:

Redcoat
01-05-2017, 13:49
Are those hulls black with a greenish hue, or green with a blackish shade?

Rob.:wink:

I think that above the waterline are black and below will be a mixture of dark green and full of dirt :wink:

Redcoat
01-06-2017, 04:54
Here's the cover if anyone is interested......

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91lOunxbwOL.jpg

Thank you David for the info. This book is translated in spanish? :beer:

Bligh
01-10-2017, 13:38
Mine arrived today.
I now have the full set.

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Redcoat
01-11-2017, 05:29
Mine arrived today.
I now have the full set.

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Rob, Could you consult if there are enough images of Russian ships?, Do images of Swedish or Turkish ships also come?

Thank you in advance
Julián
Rob.

Hjl
01-11-2017, 05:38
Amazing as always.

How did the Russian fleets compare to the British in this period?

Bligh
01-11-2017, 12:00
I will do that as soon as I get a few spare hours Julián.
At the moment I am trying to balance my life between my immediate families needs, here on Sails, The Drome, and my 90 year old Aunt with onset dementia, who is starting to consume a disproportionate amount of my time, until we can get all the support she needs in place.
Give me a day or so,I won't forget.
Rob.

Redcoat
01-11-2017, 13:18
Ok Rob, do not worry. First of all the family.

Redcoat
01-11-2017, 15:33
Amazing as always.

How did the Russian fleets compare to the British in this period?
Thank you Hugh for the rep.:beer::beer:

Bligh
01-11-2017, 15:56
Looks as if we have the rep tie problem sorted out then shipmates. It should now be easier to spread the love around a bit more freely.
Rob.

Capn Duff
01-13-2017, 02:06
What a lovely looking fleet of ships, what avpity Ares have not got round to some Russians yet, but for now superb work

Redcoat
01-13-2017, 02:58
What a lovely looking fleet of ships, what avpity Ares have not got round to some Russians yet, but for now superb work

Thank you Chris!:beer::beer:

TexaS
01-13-2017, 03:10
How did the Russian fleets compare to the British in this period?

Not very well. On the other hand none did.

The Russians had two fleets, one in the Baltic and one in the Black sea. The one in the Baltic was comparable with the Swedish fleet and the other with the Turkish fleet, even though I would say the russians came out on top in both these cases.

Redcoat
01-13-2017, 03:32
Not very well. On the other hand none did.

The Russians had two fleets, one in the Baltic and one in the Black sea. The one in the Baltic was comparable with the Swedish fleet and the other with the Turkish fleet, even though I would say the russians came out on top in both these cases.

The other day I was reading about the both Battles of Svensksund (1789 and the 1790) It had to be a terrible show! :sad:

Bligh
01-13-2017, 04:15
That makes me wonder what books are available in English about the Northern aspect of the Napoleonic wars?
Rob.

Redcoat
01-13-2017, 05:15
I do not know any books in English. This battle is explained in a book I have in Spanish. And later I searched for wikipedia to contrast. Sorry

David Manley
01-13-2017, 05:36
Look for "Naval wars in the Baltic during the sailing-ship epoch, 1522-1850" by RC Anderson, R. C. Published in 190. An excellent reference

David Manley
01-13-2017, 05:38
https://archive.org/details/navalwarsinbalti00andeuoft

Hopefully the above takes you to the archive.org page where you can download a PDF of the book (it's out of copyright)

Redcoat
01-13-2017, 07:25
https://archive.org/details/navalwarsinbalti00andeuoft

Hopefully the above takes you to the archive.org page where you can download a PDF of the book (it's out of copyright)

Thank you for the link David! :beer:

Bligh
01-13-2017, 08:02
Got me the real SP again Dave.
Thanks to you I managed to pick it up on Amazon for £18.
Rob.

Bligh
01-13-2017, 09:08
Rob, Could you consult if there are enough images of Russian ships?, Do images of Swedish or Turkish ships also come?

Thank you in advance
Julián. .





In answer to this question Julián.

There are plenty of line drawings of Russian ships of all types.
Eight pages describing the Swedish captured ships with a few nice line drawings.
A couple of pages on the Turks with nothing mind blowing in the way of line drawings.
Asyou may imagine the more prolific sections on purchased ships concerns mainly Great Britain, the Netherlands, and also France.
That is as much as a quick appraisal has thrown up.
Hope it helps.
Rob.

Redcoat
01-13-2017, 11:15
In answer to this question Julián.

There are plenty of line drawings of Russian ships of all types.
Eight pages describing the Swedish captured ships with a few nice line drawings.
A couple of pages on the Turks with nothing mind blowing in the way of line drawings.
Asyou may imagine the more prolific sections on purchased ships concerns mainly Great Britain, the Netherlands, and also France.
That is as much as a quick appraisal has thrown up.
Hope it helps.
Rob.

Thank you Rob, it is very useful for me. I don't know if this book is in spanish...

Bligh
01-13-2017, 13:37
If there is anything you need to know about a specific ship, just let me know the details and I will look it up for you Julián.

Rob.

Redcoat
01-13-2017, 14:22
If there is anything you need to know about a specific ship, just let me know the details and I will look it up for you Julián.

Rob.

Thanks Rob. Is there any picture where I can see how was the turkish stern? I would like to do a turkish fleet but I dont found any info about them.

Bligh
01-13-2017, 15:55
I will have a look tomorrow Julián but don't hold your breath.
Rob.

Bligh
01-14-2017, 03:28
There are no shots of the stern of Turkish ships Julián other than this painting of the Russian Brig Merkurii fighting two Turkish SOL in 1820.


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Bligh
01-14-2017, 03:38
Here is the scanned battle from my Russian Navy book. I think it gives better detail of the stern than the painting.

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Bligh
01-15-2017, 05:26
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This may be of some interest.

Rob.

Hjl
01-15-2017, 07:43
Oh, the Russian fleets were not trivial at all! Did they ever come into conflict with the other major powers?

TexaS
01-15-2017, 08:05
The battle of Svensksund was one of the most numerous naval battle of all time, several times the number of vessels compared to Trafalgar. More than 500 vessels. But then you are counting all the vessels down to kanonslup too. The Swedes found out that in archipelagos basically a rowboat with a gun was very efficient. The Russians captured or copied the different concepts the Swedes used.

TexaS
01-15-2017, 08:11
And by the way... some British ships did support the Swedish navy in the Baltic sea.

David Manley
01-15-2017, 09:03
Don't forget one of Hornblowers more unusual (fictional) campaigns was set in the Baltic ("The Commodore"). One of my favourites

TexaS
01-15-2017, 09:47
Even Jack Aubrey makes a trip there in his Surprise. Diana Villiers lived in Stockholm for a while. The Letter of Marque I believe.

Hjl
01-15-2017, 10:19
I have always wanted to read the jack Aubrey novels. One day perhaps I'll have time!

TexaS
01-15-2017, 10:31
There's always the option of audiobooks. They're read excellently by Ric Jerrom. Make sure you get unabridged.

Bligh
01-15-2017, 13:26
I have always wanted to read the jack Aubrey novels. One day perhaps I'll have time!

I keep on meaning having another go at Jack Aubrey and see if I can get on with it now that I'm older. It did not work for me in my younger days.
Rob.

Redcoat
01-16-2017, 06:21
Thanks Rob for the information! :beer:

Redcoat
01-16-2017, 06:28
The battle of Svensksund was one of the most numerous naval battle of all time, several times the number of vessels compared to Trafalgar. More than 500 vessels. But then you are counting all the vessels down to kanonslup too. The Swedes found out that in archipelagos basically a rowboat with a gun was very efficient. The Russians captured or copied the different concepts the Swedes used.

Exactly Jonas, although they were ships with a low draft, it had to be a show that battle.

David Manley
01-16-2017, 08:24
I keep on meaning having another go at Jack Aubrey and see if I can get on with it now that I'm older. It did not work for me in my younger days.
Rob.

Same happened with me, couldn't get my head around them when I was younger, love them now

Nightmoss
01-16-2017, 08:57
A member of The Miniatures Page just posted this link. May be of interest to those looking at the Russian fleet in the Black Sea? Very pricey, but University Press books often are.

https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-ottoman-navy-9780198757092?cc=ar&lang=en&

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Bligh
01-16-2017, 10:13
Nice looking book Jim, but as you say pricey.
You could get a lot of ships for that.
Even so if Ares had some Russian ships out I might be tempted.
Rob.

Bligh
01-16-2017, 10:18
Same happened with me, couldn't get my head around them when I was younger, love them now

Right Dave.
On that recommendation and because I can get them cheap on Kindle, I'll give them another go.
Rob.

TexaS
01-16-2017, 11:02
Redcoat: I visited the Maritime Museum in Stockholm, this summer. Perhaps some photos of their models could be of help?

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Redcoat
01-16-2017, 12:28
Thank you Jonas, nice models. I'm surprised to see the amount of pivot guns in the center of the boats :shock: The Swedes did know how to optimize space on their boats! :happy:

Bligh
01-16-2017, 13:31
Very interesting pictures Jonas insofar as I'm just about to post on Bomb Ketches.
Rob.

TexaS
01-16-2017, 16:24
Thank you for the reputation Rob.

There are more pictures but I should perhaps organize them a little before I just post whatever...
That is if it would be helpful.

Bligh
01-17-2017, 01:36
Oh yes! Please do add more pictures.
Rob.

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01-18-2017, 12:27
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Bligh
01-18-2017, 12:40
Thanks Jonas.
Some more very nice looking models there.
I do appreciate your trouble to post these.
I hope you don't mind, but I turned the two on their sides the correct way up for you.
Thanks.
Rob.

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01-18-2017, 12:52
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Frigate class Bellona
Ten ships were launched 1782-85
Scale: 1:16
Ship designed by Fredrik Henrik af Chapman
The model was probably built under his review.
The model shows the vessel from the waterline.
Length: 46.3 m, width 11.9 m, draught 5.2 m

TexaS
01-18-2017, 12:54
Thanks Jonas.
Some more very nice looking models there.
I do appreciate your trouble to post these.
I hope you don't mind, but I turned the two on their sides the correct way up for you.
Thanks.
Rob.

I do not mind the least. Thank you very much for that. I would have done it myself but I thought I should post all the photos first to know how they turned out.

Bligh
01-18-2017, 13:09
Well I think that they are some of the finest pictures of model warships under glass that I have seen.
You usually get an inordinate amount of reflection, even taking shots at an angle and with filters on to cut out flash and glare.
Rob.

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01-18-2017, 13:13
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TexaS
01-18-2017, 13:17
Well I think that they are some of the finest pictures of model warships under glass that I have seen.
You usually get an inordinate amount of reflection, even taking shots at an angle and with filters on to cut out flash and glare.
Rob.

Thank you for the kind words.

There were a lot of pictures I have discarded and there still are a few with more reflections than I would like.
The lighting is also kept low, lessening that problem but making the pictures a little blurry and dark.

Bligh
01-18-2017, 13:22
There is really only one reply I can make to all these photos Jonas.
Rep.
Rob.

TexaS
01-18-2017, 13:25
Thank you Rob. :hatsoff: I aim to please. :happy: :pistole:

Bligh
01-18-2017, 13:29
Thank you Rob. :hatsoff: I aim to please. :happy: :pistole:

:salute: I hope we did please! Cast an eye over your medals.:medal: The round is on you!:drinks:
Congratulations.:hatsoff:
Bligh.

John Paul
01-18-2017, 22:15
A Fleet that would make my namesake, ADM. J. P. Jones, extremely proud to command!! :salute:

TexaS
01-18-2017, 22:33
:salute: I hope we did please! Cast an eye over your medals.:medal: The round is on you!:drinks:
Congratulations.:hatsoff:
Bligh.

I see they spilled over to the next row.

I am much obliged to you, good sir!

Bligh
01-19-2017, 02:11
I see they spilled over to the next row.

I am much obliged to you, good sir!

Not at all sir!
The reputation was earned totally by your own unstinting effort and superb abilities, testified to by your shipmates in this tangible manner.
It is we who are grateful to you Commander.
Bligh.:hatsoff:

TexaS
01-19-2017, 03:09
Stop it. You're making me post even more.

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Bligh
01-19-2017, 03:16
Now that is a really interesting looking gun boat. Must get one of those for landings.
Rob.

TexaS
01-19-2017, 03:28
Sweden used them fighting larger ships in archepelagos. They were hard to hit and had a gun heavy enough (24 lb) to fight ships of the line. Being of shallow draught they could be used in ambushes and in larger engagements they could be raking the enemy while they fought other ships.

Bligh
01-19-2017, 08:32
Just the sort of thing I could do with in the Far East for my HEIC battles. Flush out the Pirate Junks with that and then finish the off with the Nottingham.
Rob.

TexaS
01-19-2017, 10:21
I think Langton make most of these.

Bligh
01-19-2017, 12:52
I will include a couple when I make my next order then Jonas.
Rob.

David Manley
01-19-2017, 15:33
Sweden used them fighting larger ships in archepelagos. They were hard to hit and had a gun heavy enough (24 lb) to fight ships of the line. Being of shallow draught they could be used in ambushes and in larger engagements they could be raking the enemy while they fought other ships.

The Swedes had the benefit of one of the leading innovative naval architects of the day in Frederik af Chapman. He is something of a hero in my profession.

TexaS
01-19-2017, 22:43
We know it.

Not only was he innovative, but also very productive.

We still have a ship in Stockholm called af Chapman and if you as I did when about 10 love tall ships you wonder why it's called that.

Bligh
01-20-2017, 01:28
Sounds as if there should be a book about him Jonas?
Rob.

TexaS
01-20-2017, 02:44
I know of books by him. "Architectura Navalis Mercatoria" and "Traktat om Skeppsbyggeriet". :wink:

I tried to add my link to those but it doesn't work now. I'm not sure if its permanent though.

http://covax.bth.se/chapmanprojekt/index.html

Bligh
01-20-2017, 03:06
Thanks for that Jonas.
Unfortunately the page comes up "cannot be displayed."
I will come at it from another direction.
Thanks.
Rob.

Bligh
01-20-2017, 03:10
Found it on Amazon thanks. Softback for £13.99





https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51RV7ATS5CL._AC_US200_.jpg (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Architectura-Navalis-Mercatoria-Eighteenth-Century-Architecture/dp/0486451550/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1484906711&sr=1-1&keywords=%22Architectura+Navalis+Mercatoria%22)


Architectura Navalis Mercatoria: The Classic of Eighteenth-Century Naval Architecture (Dover Maritime)

(https://www.amazon.co.uk/Architectura-Navalis-Mercatoria-Eighteenth-Century-Architecture/dp/0486451550/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1484906711&sr=1-1&keywords=%22Architectura+Navalis+Mercatoria%22)17 Nov 2006
by Fredrik Chapman

Rob.



(https://www.amazon.co.uk/Architectura-Navalis-Mercatoria-Eighteenth-Century-Architecture/dp/0486451550/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1484906711&sr=1-1&keywords=%22Architectura+Navalis+Mercatoria%22)

Bligh
01-22-2017, 13:13
Things are moving along. This book arrived from Amazon today.


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I am gradually filling in those missing areas in my Library.

Rob.