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Dan-Sam
11-29-2011, 10:12
I want to summarize confirmed facts (at this moment) about Sails of Glory into one thread. If you know anything more, please, add me.

Type of game: miniatures only
Scale: 1:1200
Release: summer 2012
Confirmed nations: Britain, France

Confirmed ships:
(official name in the game in bold)

Aquilon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Aquilon_(1789)) / HMS Aboukir (1789-1798 French, 1798-1802 British; 74 guns)
America / HMS Impétueux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Imp%C3%A9tueux_(1787)) (1788-1794 French, 1794-1813 British; 74 guns)
Commerce de Bordeaux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Commerce_de_Bordeaux_(1785)) / Timoléon (1785-1798 French; 74 guns)
Fougueux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Fougueux_(1785)) (1785-1805 French; 74 guns)
HMS Bellona (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Bellona_(1760)) (1760-1814; 74 guns)
HMS Britannia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Britannia_(1762)) / HMS Princess Royal / HMS St. George / HMS Barfleur (1762-1825 British, 100 guns)



Web links:

Ares Games (http://www.aresgames.eu/)
First Preview at Lucca Comics & Games (http://www.aresgames.eu/1866)
Interview with Andrea & Andrea (http://gioconomicon.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6008#ev)


Pictures of game:

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Attila57
11-29-2011, 14:14
I hope Andrea will be a sailorman in this forum ASAP to tell use some news about this new game

Attilio

Dan-Sam
11-29-2011, 14:29
I hope too. His role on the Aerodrome is really important. There are not many authors of boardgames like him. Sir (Royal Hajj), did you send him an invitation? :confused:

Attila57
11-29-2011, 14:39
I'm sure he send him a formal invitation. Ready to fire welcome salvos of cannon in his homage!

Attilio

The Cowman
11-29-2011, 15:06
Outstanding... and thanks for the summary Daniel!

Tommy Z
11-29-2011, 16:29
Good Idea to keep all the info in one place!

Capt P
11-29-2011, 17:05
Thought I saw his name in one of the Welcome Abord threads

SeaHunter
11-30-2011, 03:47
Thanks Daniel for summarizing the game info in one place!

Comte de Brueys
11-30-2011, 07:29
Confirmed ships:
(official name in the game in bold)

Aquilon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Aquilon_(1789)) / HMS Aboukir (1789-1798 French, 1798-1802 British; 74 guns)
America / HMS Impétueux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Imp%C3%A9tueux_(1787)) (1788-1794 French, 1794-1813 British; 74 guns)
Commerce de Bordeaux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Commerce_de_Bordeaux_(1785)) / Timoléon (1785-1798 French; 74 guns)
Fougueux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Fougueux_(1785)) (1785-1805 French; 74 guns)
HMS Bellona (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Bellona_(1760)) (1760-1814; 74 guns)
HMS Britannia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Britannia_(1762)) / HMS Princess Royal / HMS St. George / HMS Barfleur (1762-1825 British, 100 guns)


No spanisch or french first rates?

:p

Gunner
11-30-2011, 20:58
Thanks for the summarization Daniel.

I hope a Spanish and Russian 74 will follow soon.

Old Salt
11-30-2011, 21:04
No spanisch or french first rates?

:p thats because french and spanish fleets were in disrepair and poorly lead,

Comte de Brueys
12-01-2011, 03:20
Old Salt, you are so cruel!

...now I've got to snivel a little bit.

I know about the (dis)abilities, especially of the french ships.

But it will be fun to hunt down a three-decker with a british 74 gun ship, too.




By the way: Thanks Dan-Sam for this summary!:D

Berthier
12-01-2011, 03:57
Come on some of the French ships were magnificent. Unlike the British, they don't appear to have suffered from episodes of poor quality timber or shipyard short cuts. Reports of the unworthiness of some new British ships abound. The problem with the French ships were they never got to sea to train, their officer corps had been gutted by the Revolution due to the large number of aristocrats leaving or being imprisoned/executed and finally the difficulty of rising through the ranks..an issue not occurring in the army.

The Spanish are a different case again. They had the difficulties of a bankrupt state unable/unwilling to finance the upkeep of it's fleet, a lack of seaman (there had been seen epidemics in the regions from which seaman were usually drawn, particularly 1803-05, cholera I think though it may been typhus etc), a surprising seeming lack of depth in their officer pool (surprising because they had a large overseas empire) but also a lack of history of naval success for centuries that should not be underestimated. The few naval success they did have were sometimes with hired Italians mercenaries etc, a policy the Spanish were forced to use since the 16C due to lack of soldiers/sailors in Spain itself. Their ships, particularly the larger 1st-3rd rates were well built but not maintained.

SeaHunter
12-01-2011, 04:41
You got that right Daniel!

Bumblie3
12-01-2011, 05:36
We Brits tended to over-gun our ships, making them deadly but slower and less maneuverable and less able to fight in really rough conditions. Vessels captured by the French frequently had guns removed to make them sail better and improve their ability to fight in rougher seas, but this was often offset by the French tendency to attach ornate fittings and decorations to the ships, which made them more top heavy and also made them less stable gun platforms.

Dan-Sam
12-01-2011, 05:37
No spanisch or french first rates? :p
These are ships which was confirmed by Andrea itself in post on Boardgamegeek (first four) and in preview materials (Bellona and Britannia). I am sure we can expect bigger ships (for you, I think L'Orient is so fundamental that it can not be ignored ;)).
Same with other nations - I think there will be much more (Spanish, Russian, may be Dutch or Austrian etc.), but they are not confirmed yet.

Berthier
12-01-2011, 05:54
John has fired the first true broadside with his boom vs bling! Damn Brits always liked to double shot you :o

Bluedevil
12-01-2011, 09:22
Any ideas or news about the release date?

David Manley
12-04-2011, 07:20
No spanisch or french first rates?

No 1st or 2nd rates for anyone3 in the initial release. Likely to come in the first few releases of individual ships after the first series.

crashx
12-04-2011, 21:54
Thanks Daniel for the summary!!!

Bluedevil
01-04-2012, 05:05
An obvious question I guess...but is there any news about the release?

The Royal Hajj
01-04-2012, 05:49
Nothing new as of yet.

Mitchell422
01-04-2012, 07:33
Thank You...

Berthier
01-19-2012, 05:22
Just checked out the Ares web site. As an interesting exercise go through all the menu bars, links etc and see if you can find SOG...well i couldn't. The only way I could find a reference to it was by using their search box. This could mean many things, but at a minimum I dont think we'll be seeing anything till end of 2012...if we're lucky:(

The Royal Hajj
01-19-2012, 06:33
They typically only add things that are at most 4-5 months out. I would not read into it to much as of yet.

David Manley
01-19-2012, 11:27
I agree their website isn't exactly easy to work around, but then again iuts much better than some :) I think we are about 7-8 months away from initial releases.

Gunner
01-19-2012, 12:27
Time for a bone.

Seems like interest in SOG has peaked with only 46 swabs on board. I think it would rekindle interest, and draw new members, if Ares would throw a bone every 3 or 4 weeks just to show the gaming community that it is still on the drawing board.

David Manley
01-19-2012, 13:48
Perhaps it was a bit premature launching the website well before the release date.

csadn
01-19-2012, 15:58
Perhaps it was a bit premature launching the website well before the release date.

"You don't mean...?"
"Yes -- Premature Ejection."
[FX: thunderclap and lightning-flash]
[Elaine, and Ted, _ Airplane! 2: The Sequel_]

>;)

Mitchell422
01-19-2012, 20:42
aye are you jumping ship already.... your not a cruise ship captain.......are yee

Berthier
01-20-2012, 03:15
Not jumping ship, "fell into the lifeboat", could happen to anyone....

Berthier
01-20-2012, 03:16
Oh and a bone, even a splinter of bone would be nice. Scrimshaw anyone?

mrdugsir
01-25-2012, 04:10
I've been looking forward to this game for a couple years now so I can wait a little longer. Give it time, more people will come.

Blackrose
02-10-2012, 10:19
I don't think this got logged in here yet, but Robert Di Meglio posted on the Yahoo group the following:

"Not everything is 100% decided yet, but there are some details which I
can share for sure!

1) Release date: we are working to get the game out as a 4th quarter
2012 release
2) We are planning to have an introductory set including rules and
ships. I hope we'll be able to include 4 ships (2 French, 2 British),
unless we see that this makes the box too expensive.
3) Initially we'll release 4 ship models - two frigates (28-32 guns) and
two ships of the line (74 guns), in several different colors (3 or 4 of
each, for a total of 12/16 models). In the future we'll add more
different ships, ranging from small frigates to first-class SoTLs, We'll
probably release them in groups of 2 or 4 models at a time, every 4 months.

That's all for now, thanks for your patience, and stay tuned!"

Karl

Bumblie3
02-10-2012, 10:44
Thanks for the update, Karl.
It all sounds pretty good.
What a shame that we will probably
have to wait another year before we
get to lay hands on a set.

John

Berthier
02-10-2012, 21:35
Happy news then, thanks Karl. Maybe Christmas gifts all around for us?!

HMS Vengence
02-11-2012, 21:47
Before Christmas would be good; starting a new games system is otherwise outside my budget :(

Good to hear some news though :)

Dave

crashx
02-11-2012, 23:43
Great news!!! Very promising!!!

Attila57
02-12-2012, 14:55
Nice news!! I'll celebrate Christmas with some ships under the tree!

Attilio

Comte de Brueys
02-17-2012, 13:41
Ok, good information.

Bligh
02-17-2012, 14:42
Good to hear that we will have something to look forward to for Christmas. Thanks for the Heads up Daniel.
Bligh.

Churruca
03-03-2012, 16:51
I'm really worried watching the Spanish Navy ignored in SoG :-(

Coog
03-03-2012, 17:17
I'm really worried watching the Spanish Navy ignored in SoG :-(

I'm thinking the models will be somewhat generic. A generic 74 model may come in different paint schemes, perhaps as a British, a French, and a Spanish ship. If not, you can always aquire ships of other manufacturers. I have five GHQ models that are Spanish. If a certain ship is not available, I'm sure that Anchorage members will produce cards for them just as on the WoG site.

Gunner
03-03-2012, 17:17
I'm really worried watching the Spanish Navy ignored in SoG :-(

I would be surprised if the release after the initial one wasn't Spanish.
The Spanish are a must.
Then maybe Russian & Turkish???

csadn
03-03-2012, 18:11
I'm really worried watching the Spanish Navy ignored in SoG :-(

Now you know how the Americans feel about this period of history. :)

Churruca
03-03-2012, 18:18
To be honest, I thought USA dis not take part in that conflict :confused:

Coog
03-03-2012, 18:20
Now you know how the Americans feel about this period of history. :)

I believe Ares will be very focused sales. With the US being a large market, we will probably see the Constitution very soon after the release of the game.

Coog
03-03-2012, 20:23
To be honest, I thought USA dis not take part in that conflict :confused:

The United States was not directly involved in the Napoleonic War. However, they did get caught up in the conflict as US merchants traded with both sides. The French started seizing American merchantmen and this led to the Quasi War which lasted between 1798 and 1800. Here is a link for details:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-War

One of the causes of the War of 1812 was British restrictions on American trade with France. Here is a link about that war:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812

The U. S. Navy was also very involved during the period combating North African states involved in seizing ships and crews. Here are some links on that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Barbary_War

While there are no grand fleet actions involving U. S. warships, there are a lot of single ship actions that can be gamed for that period.

David Manley
03-04-2012, 00:20
I'm really worried watching the Spanish Navy ignored in SoG :-(

Chatting to a few people "in the know" I would suspect your fears are unfounded :)

Blackrose
03-04-2012, 04:35
To be honest, I thought USA dis not take part in that conflict :confused:

As Bobby said, there was a lot of American Naval action during the period. When refering to the conflicts around the time, many historians refer to them as the Napoleonic Wars, due to the opinion that most of them were caused or at least triggered by the main conflict in Europe. The War of 1812 is a classic example, since, while it is likely a conflict between the United Staes and Great Britian would have occurred sometime in the first half of the 19th century, it was triggered by actions taken on both sides due to the war in Europe.
Karl

Berthier
03-04-2012, 05:25
Agree with Karl, these were the Wars of the Revolution followed by the Napoleonic Wars..the 1812 and other conflicts involving the USA were consequences of these European wars, they would not have occurred then without them (with the possible exception of the intervention in N Africa.) Also the Russo-Finnish War, the Russo-Turkish War, Swedish-Norwegian fights, even the earlier Polish partition are all symptoms of the struggle for hegemony in Europe as the power of some monarchs/empires wained (Turkey, Spain, perhaps Austria) and others rose (Russia, Prussia and England). It's what makes this period of history so interesting, a true time of fundamental change whose origins lie in the Enlightenment, repeated crop failures across Europe, the weakening of the authority of religious power, the commencement of industrialization..there are so many things happening in Europe from 1780-1815 it's often hard to discern what caused what!

Churruca
03-04-2012, 07:16
there are so many things happening in Europe from 1780-1815 it's often hard to discern what caused what!
Very good point!

Capt P
03-04-2012, 15:01
Excellent information. Much appreciated of THANKS much.

Capt P
03-04-2012, 15:03
Don't know what my post went here but was for a different thread.

Capt P
03-04-2012, 15:11
Thanks for the information. I sent this before but went to another thread and dont know why.

Coog
03-04-2012, 17:08
One of the nice things about gaming is that you can play out hypothetical "what ifs." One game some friends and I played had a neutral, pre-War of 1812, U.S. 44 escorting U.S. merchantmen out of New Orleans into a French port. As the ships approached the port, they were intercepted by three British sloops, enforcing a blockade. The U.S. 44 got between the merchantmen and the sloops. The sloops fired upon the 44 when they were within range and the fight was on. A British squadron of a 74 and three frigates sailed into the fight as two French 74s with two French 40s came out of port and into the battle. The French crew quality was poor while the British crews quality was above average. The British unexpectedly disengaged from the fight, badly battered, but not before a British frigate was boarded and taken by the French. However the fight was a draw as some of the merchantmen were lost. One could only imagine the shock there would have been in Britain with a British squadron being chased off by a French squadron and a British frigate being taken by them in the process!

Comte de Brueys
03-05-2012, 07:16
A good result for your 44 blockade runner. :)

rrrreubanks
03-09-2012, 13:52
Sigh...why do we always have to wait on the good things in life? Well, at least we'll all become extremely familiar with each other after a year of talking on a web site for a game that isn't out yet!

I agree that we'll probably be able to take models and use them for other nations' ships.

Coog
03-09-2012, 15:40
If they don't get something out soon we can always make this site "Wooden Ships and Iron Men of Glory". It seems everybody owns or at least played that game.

Churruca
03-10-2012, 04:05
If they don't get something out soon we can always make this site "Wooden Ships and Iron Men of Glory". It seems everybody owns or at least played that game.

I'm afraid "ALMOST everybody". I even didn't know that board game.

Mark Barker
03-11-2012, 15:21
I'm afraid "ALMOST everybody". I even didn't know that board game.

An absolute classic, well worth seeking out even today. It was WS&IM that got really me into wargaming back in the 1980s.

The original version was published by Battleline and then by Avalon Hill - the AH version is still pretty easy to pick up without paying daft prices.

Just remember to play it the way the designer intended - with 1 melee round fought per turn and not 3 as in the AH printing. This makes "grapple and board" far more effective than it was historically.

There are two modern successors to the WS&IM style currently in print - Mark Campbell's Close Action - which is a level of complexity higher than WS&IM when it comes to shiphandling, damage recording and detail signalling and Mike Nagel's Flying Colors - which simplifies damage recording etc compared to WS&IM in favour or speed of play with an element of command and control thrown in.

I enjoy both, but then Napoleonic Naval is my main gaming interest.

Best wishes,

Mark Barker
The Inshore Squadron

rrrreubanks
03-12-2012, 08:18
I agree....if you've never seen or played WSIM you owe it to yourself to get it. It truly is a classic, and it's fun to play! I have taken the rules, converted hexes to inches, and used it with miniatures.

Gunner
03-12-2012, 12:10
"converted hexes to inches, and used it with miniatures"

That's the way we play it. Drinking grog ( Pussers rum & lime juice ) and playing a pirate action withe 4 pirate ships fighting each other for a buried treasure chest on a island was the most fun I've had, of all the games I've played.

Cpt Kangaroo
03-16-2012, 11:55
Mark, It might interest you to check this link.

http://www.kjkoster.org/wsim/

This was a classic for many years and was probably the first board game I ever converted to miniatures.

Up until now, I have not found something that will quite replace it.

I am really looking forward to this game to be released as I feel positive this will do just that.

Enjoy!

Erin

Mark Barker
03-16-2012, 15:00
Interesting to see WS&IM being converted to miniatures as it came from a miniatures game in the first place - S Craig Taylor's Ship o' the Line !

... and yes I've got a copy of that too (being something of a completist when it comes to Age of Sail naval rules)

It is well worth a read in its own right - trickier to pick up though.

My boardgame play tends to be with Flying Colors these days as it plays even faster than WS&IM (less fine detail on the damage side) and so really big fleet actions become playable.

I see Sails of Glory in the WS&IM level of complexity, more rewarding for single ship duels and small squadrons but you are going to need a club project or something for the major clashes.

Mark Barker
The Inshore Squadron

rrrreubanks
03-16-2012, 15:17
I didn't realize WSIM came from that rule set! I think I still have a copy myself laying around in a box somewhere. What was old is new again, eh?

David Manley
03-16-2012, 16:52
... and yes I've got a copy of that too (being something of a completist when it comes to Age of Sail naval rules)

I not only have a copy, but also a playmat that a friend gridded for use with the rules :)

csadn
03-16-2012, 17:25
I see Sails of Glory in the WS&IM level of complexity, more rewarding for single ship duels and small squadrons but you are going to need a club project or something for the major clashes.

[sigh] You *do* realize someone is now going to take up the gauntlet, and try to run Trafalgar in _SoG_.... :)

"We opened the door, and found two dust-covered skeletons, in amongst a bunch of small plastic ship models...."

(_Gamestore of the Mysteries_, anyone? :) )

Mark Barker
03-17-2012, 15:52
I didn't realize WSIM came from that rule set! I think I still have a copy myself laying around in a box somewhere. What was old is new again, eh?

You're right !

Craig Taylor wrote an article in the AH General with the developer (Mick Uhl, I think) called "Care and Feeding of a Square Rigger" dealing with the genesis of the game from its beginnings before SotL into something commercially viable. An interesting insight into the process of wargames design.

Mark Barker
The Inshore Squadron

Capt P
03-22-2012, 18:21
I have to bring out my copy of WS&IM. I have never played it but have many AH games. My first was Gettysburg & Tactics back in the early 60's. I think I payed .50 for both.

Gunner
03-22-2012, 18:29
[QUOTE= I think I payed .50 for both.[/QUOTE]

Go ahead. Rub it in.

Killick
03-27-2012, 01:56
Well before I can get any gaming in the ships are a must, I know there a few companies who produce metal ship but as stated I cannot make metal models. I am prepared to wait for the mins and rules come out.

Capt P
03-27-2012, 15:48
Just saw the post on release date and great news. Gives me time to save up.

Horatio
05-28-2012, 12:29
What is the latest release date for SoG, anyone know?
I want to know if my pension will cover it:D

Just saw the post on release date and great news. Gives me time to save up.

Coog
05-28-2012, 12:44
Ares has not put anything out on a release date. With the Wings of Glory items now being released regularly, I wouldn't expect anything any earlier than the Fall or Winter at best.

Gunner
05-28-2012, 15:20
I want to know if my pension will cover it:D

Only if your house and car is paid off.

Diamondback
07-22-2012, 02:20
Also, I'd hope we'd go smaller than frigates, like all the way down to little sloops--if Ares is gonna try to tap the Cult of Piracy market, most pirate ships were typically very small and agile vessels, Queen Anne's Revenge probably being the all-time recordholder for size and power.

If Andrea taps that market and keeps a special "pirate" line in permanent production, it could be a permanent revenue stream for the game...

Comte de Brueys
07-22-2012, 03:39
You want to hunt helpless traders wit a sloop? :p

I wonder if Ares is able to introduce frigates between all those 74+ ships of the line.

Diamondback
07-22-2012, 03:42
No, I want to curbstomp those insufferable terrorists of the sea... but I'm also seeing a HUGE revenue stream there. (In the old WizKids Pirates CSG, I always preferred to play with a "legitimate navy's" ships myself.)

Coog
07-22-2012, 09:55
I am waiting to see more of the first official ships and cards. With the talented people we have on the WoG site that will be on this one also, I'm sure there will be cards made up for all types of ships based on the offical cards. There are plenty of ship models around that can be used with those cards until offical ships and cards are released.

Cap't Trigger
07-30-2012, 06:30
Really looking forward to the proposed release date..... Here's hoping it all comes to fruition. (Necks a tot)

Berthier
11-15-2012, 05:56
Came across a production schedule for Ares right through to Feb 2013 and no mention of SOG...so we must be looking a a minimum of second quarter of 2013 unless they are going to spring a surprise release on us.

Comte de Brueys
11-15-2012, 06:20
Ares Games has a run with the Wings of Glory Product at the moment.

I think this delays the Sails of Glory a little bit.

It's ok if they work on the product a little bit longer to present us a fantastic game like WoW and WoG.:D

Coog
11-15-2012, 14:56
I am thinking now that Ares has put out the items which Nexus had already done much development, SoG may come out before WWI series 6 and WWII series 4.

Gunner
11-15-2012, 15:42
I am thinking now that Ares has put out the items which Nexus had already done much development, SoG may come out before WWI series 6 and WWII series 4.

I wish I had your attitude and faith. Really.

Coog
11-15-2012, 16:50
I wish I had your attitude and faith. Really.

But I am also thinking that it could be a very long time before we see WWI series 6 and WWII series 4 (Unless the 2 new bi-planes are considered series 4?), so just because SoG might come before them, we still may not see SoG for a long time.:(

Comte de Brueys
11-16-2012, 04:06
I don't think so, Bobby... :(

WW II series 4 is already announced and Ares Games offered new pictures of the planes (biplanes, Bf110 & Beaufighter). Reprints of WW I series I are announced for Christmas.

Maybe we'll see Sails of Glory before WW I series 6.

Diamondback
01-24-2013, 02:08
Adding to prior data in "Production Preview"...

IF the HMS Britannia we saw a prototype card for is the 1745 Establishment 100-gun version like I THINK it is, then it could plausibly be reprinted as the 1756 HMS Royal George along with Nelson's Victory--the blueprints originally used to build RG when it was reconstructed from the timbers of 1702 HMS Royal Anne were sent to the yard for use in building the future Trafalgar flagship. As far as I can see, this class would be a One Print Wonder (neither Wikipedia nor ThreeDecks confirms St. George, Princess Royal or Barfleur in this case, though if they are also that means maybe two printings)--the other 1745 Est. 100-gun, HMS Hind, is over 60' shorter and around 20' narrower and thus would need a whole new sculpt... my guess is Hind was found so small and problematic at sea that the others were stretched to improve seaworthiness and be more stable gun-platforms.

The Bellona/Arrogants (excellent choice, another fairly common design; I saw a specific mention of an Arrogant in the CAD renders on FB) were seventeen strong--in addition to Bellona, I think we can count on Napoleon's seagoing personal nemesis HMS Bellerophon. Could also be reprinted as the 1760 Ramillies class that's a slightly evolved version of the same design, which adds nine reprints to the pool, yielding a population approximately equal to the Temeraire family-tree as far as I've found.

Trying to find data on the Intrepide we saw a card for, but I need help refining WHICH ship by that name it is to even start.

Diamondback
01-24-2013, 20:05
Adding findings on Intrepide:

She started life as the Spanish Intrepido, and Spanish SOL's Infante Don Pelayo (sold to France, became Desaix) and San Ildefonso (captured by RN, became HMS Ildefonso) are almost dead matches on the specs at ThreeDecks, though not having plans I can't be totally certain. I would not rule this class out as a Wave 2 or 3 release...